[Gach]

I’m trying to fine out, Butler had a video I thought was interesting hydraulic roller with Wide port heads that made I think 720 hp. On pump gas. For some reason he said someone hijacked it and was posting as Butler. He came in with a disclaimer saying it wasn’t him. Hey may have been one of his competitors. Haven’t heard anymore about the motor. Hydraulic roller with wide ports must be off set hydraulic roller lifters. 720 hp interesting.

[Gach]

There’s another guy, trying to find his video..has 69 GTO and he’s done a series of videos on his motor build, Bought everything from Butler on motor rebuild, did a whole video on his hydraulic roller cam wiping out. Marty somethings garage I’ll try and fine it. Not sure what kind of hydraulic roller lifters they were though.

[Gach]

Its called Fast Monty’s Garage 69 GTO. Trying to fine ones he did on that hydraulic roller lifters wiping out.

[Gach]

Here’s link, didn’t fine the one were he shows lifter wiping out but it there some where but he does mention it in this video

https://youtu.be/xp4uCYrnXLY?si=rYUvnyL-h7-bmsfD

[Gach]

I found it, where he fines the problem. With lifter. He’s got some serious money in his car. Has a whole bunch of videos

https://youtu.be/y_iPx4CiMTg?si=mCFbQZcKk3VuQ2eV

[Gach]

Click the foward arrow he done a series of videos some are interesting

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by jhein

I have the Johnson OPR (reduced travel) lifters. They are super quiet. I'm not using restricted pushrods and I've never seen a hint of decreased oil pressure. And (since i've been aware of this question for a while) I've watched my oil pressure as closely as I can and still not crash, and I drive fairly aggressively, both straight roads and curves. Other factors, I have a stock oil pan and windage tray from BOP. But regardless of how I think I may drive, it's still a street car, not a race car. So that may be different.

You likely won't have a problem with the Johnson's. What Ive noticed is most dont want to spend money for the good stuff and plaster it on the Internet when it fails. Everyone wants a deal. Johnson's are some of the most expensive but they also have a very good product.
We are doing a 327 now and the Johnson roller lifters were $1140 8 months ago. They are now $1600.
That's straight from Paul's supplier, not the best eBay deal of the day. No way would I get something like this off eBay. It would likely be reboxed China junk.
That's just the way it is now. Ya want good parts you pay the price. I wouldn't touch a $400 set of roller lifters with a 10 foot pole and I suspect that's where your failures are coming from. That or mismatched parts or assembly issues. Some failures are even taken out of context, meaning it wasn't the lifters fault despite what the internet says. Then there are those that just hate oil pressure and then complain if noise, lol

[Formulajones]

For the record since this thread is about evolution lifters, there are already a couple members here that are using evolution lifters and report them being very quiet. Can't remember his name but he's installed a couple sets now and it wasn't tom, (he's the guy with the little red firebird in his avatar) although Tom does have a set as well. Believe tom even mentioned where they were built or where either the bodies or the cartridges were coming from. I can't remember exactly now but tom would be the person to ask.

[chuckies76ta]

I put a set of these Johnson Lifters (PONTIAC 2112OPR REDUCED TRAVEL) in one of our 468 engines years ago, sold the engine to a friend and there still no issues with the lifters. They do need to be preloaded very precisely. At the time I used a dial indicator to set preload. They haven't be touched since.

[grivera]

Originally Posted by Gach

Click the foward arrow he done a series of videos some are interesting

Thanks

[grivera]

Originally Posted by Gach

Here’s link. Evolution lifters removed and replaced with stock GM

https://youtu.be/fZQCKgfV-Kg?si=ttdACiyfiSm-U-Vz

Interesting- sounds just as noisy with the OEM lifters. Also weird he didn’t try replacing with OEM first.

[Formulajones]

I didn't watch the video but same result with different lifters sounds like he may not be adjusting them properly. They require fairly precise preload adjustment and that changes with the type of rocker stud used and the type of rocker used. Without a dial indicator the 1/2 or 3/4 turn method is a crap shoot.

PS. AG is who I was trying to think of that has used the evolution lifters with success.

[tom s]

There are issues with factory LS lifters also.I have been real lucky,in all the years I have run them I have not had a issue.From the older Comp 857s(Johnsons)to the S lifter to Morels inone of my engines.FWIW,my machine shop engine builder has IDed some bad lifters when they were priming a new engine.With the Morels which came from a Pontiac supplier they found 2 that would not pump up and they were replaced before the engine was completed.Also on a set of Comp Shavers had 2 that would not pump up.Also replaced before the engine was finished.It all comes down to preparation before the engine run.When I bought my Evolutions I also bought a pair of replacement cartridges in case.I know a lot of the issues is with the lube that is in the lifters and if they sit on a sellers shelf very long it can clog internals.That was the issue with the Shavers.The replacement cartridges were very cheap.The only lifter issue I have actually had in a running pontiac engine was with a solid roller,it was found before any damage was done to the cam.FWIW,Tom

[Formulajones]

I'm in the same boat tom, can't count how many hydraulic roller engines I own or have built for myself and others, never a problem, but I've had a solid roller fail that tony bischoff setup with his custom cam. Just luck of the draw I guess?

Either way 600 and 700hp pump gas street engines are no problem for a hydraulic roller so I just continue with that success. They've been quiet and reliable for me for almost 30 years and counting.

[AG]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

I didn't watch the video but same result with different lifters sounds like he may not be adjusting them properly. They require fairly precise preload adjustment and that changes with the type of rocker stud used and the type of rocker used. Without a dial indicator the 1/2 or 3/4 turn method is a crap shoot.

PS. AG is who I was trying to think of that has used the evolution lifters with success.

I used a set of CC HR Evolution lifters to replace a set of Lunati HR lifters and was very impressed with them. All the plungers moved freely, adjusted easily and were completely quiet from the first start-up and still are according to the customer.

[Tim Corcoran]

Originally Posted by Gach

Here’s link. Evolution lifters removed and replaced with stock GM

https://youtu.be/fZQCKgfV-Kg?si=ttdACiyfiSm-U-Vz

I have had three 1/2 ton Silverado trucks with the 5.3 engine and never heard the lifters make any noise. I think his problem is not the lifters but something else.

[grivera]

Should they all be soaked in thinner paint prior use?

[grivera]

Should they all be soaked in thinner paint prior use - is? And is pumping them in the thinner suggested?

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Tim Corcoran

I have had three 1/2 ton Silverado trucks with the 5.3 engine and never heard the lifters make any noise. I think his problem is not the lifters but something else.

Agree, hell we used to do cam swaps in LS engines with 60-100k miles on them, reuse the same lifters, and then proceed to run the dog chit out of them for another 100,000 miles and never a whisper from the lifters, or any issue with the valvetrain for that matter.

In fact, somewhat related, I have a new GM 502 that I ran for about 2000 miles, factory hydraulic roller setup that is whisper quiet. It's getting a cam swap and reusing those gm lifters was in the plan until I found out the spider retainer setup is only good for about .600 lift and the cam is going to be in the mid 600's so it all gets scrapped for a link bar retro setup. Otherwise that gm stuff would stay.

[tom s]

FYI,the GM fuel management system uses the hyd roller lifters to kill cylinders when all HP is not needed.When a lifter goes bad it screws up the fuel management system.FWIW,Tom