[dld]

here is a tag from a car now on ebay. I don't see any difference. body build number seems in line . alignment is the same.

the only details to argue are the color and interior. Phs verified the color.

[rontiac]

OK, I have to ask now since I've seen another one. Is the putty over the tag rivets a common thing?

My 65 LeMans KC car has it also. I haven't seen too many with it. It looked a little suspicious until I noticed another one with it.
Sorry to jump in, just would like to know.

Ron M.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by rontiac

OK, I have to ask now since I've seen another one. Is the putty over the tag rivets a common thing?

My 65 LeMans KC car has it also. I haven't seen too many with it. It looked a little suspicious until I noticed another one with it.
Sorry to jump in, just would like to know.

Ron M.

Yes. Just a little glob, as a sealant.

K

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks to you guys for bringing up more specimens.

Borrow a better pair of spectacles and look at the 7's on tag 08B and 05A
re: 65 23767

See how those rise a little taller the same way on both.
Run a strait edge on your monitor if needed - from the top of first 6 , to the top of last 6 . 65 23767
And do it honest like it was your $40,000 fixing to drop.
The tops of the 7's are higher on both those tags.

See how 03A Iris Mist is perfectly uniform ?
Dead solid perfect. Below the strait line with all the rest from 6 to 6.
They did TOO Good of a job on it at the repop shop.

In addition to stuff others have pointed - that might be less obvious.

I bet more 65 Baltimore Vert tags will produce the same results.

We either have 2 repop Lemans tags
or 1 repop GTO tag
hmm ..... decisions decisions

can we get the BHC's on those Lemans' ?
do we know for sure they aren't cloned Tempests' ?

[PMD1969]

pictures of the car and interior?

[geeteeohguy]

If one has the PHS for a given car, and it matches the trim tag that's on the car, what is the liklihood that the trim tag is a repro, and if it is, what's the consequence? Why would anybody bother to install a repro tag, anyway? Missing tag? Yes. Color/trim change? Pretty useless with PHS. Not so with the other makes, but with us, pretty much not an issue. With the PHS, you can verify the car is correct or not, no matter what the tag says.

[67_Krewzer]

here's the trim tag on my car Bal build

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

no matter what the tag says.

Its hard to gauge the level of everyones involvement with these cars , and car shows.

The icon of Iris Mist / White / White is well worth the 200-300-400 to have your hood up at an event for the code hunters , and TriPower displayed.

The WS engine upgrade with TriPower was much much more expensive than the potential trim tag swap.

If the car was done before PHS started doing the early cars - even all the more reason to go for it.

Who knows for sure why
I'm just giving a non-partial opinion on the trim tag.

No idea what the hit is for swapping interior and top colors and the trim tag.
Its always still a WT Iris Mist Vert at the very minimum.
And that aint too shabby.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by 67_Krewzer

here's the trim tag on my car Bal build

12C and tall 7's again - even on a Hardtop

[RAII 4-speed]

No tall 7s on this tag.....

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

That's a much different, and Fremont tag.
The Pontiac Mich plant tags are more similar to Baltimore - but still different .

I'd stay within 65 Baltimore specimens to keep a proper handle on a case study like this.

And also want to say i'm sure everyone here wishes you happiness and long lasting service if you decide to buy the car. Iris/White/White is dynamite.
Iris/Black/Black is not the same effect.
Car has value either way, and a lot of guys switch Iris/Black to Iris/White.
I would be extra prude about inspecting this car to the full degree.

Quality of seat covers and patterns compared to your Blue car, etc etc
Rosette Rivets on VIN

They had a Plum interior for the 65 Full Size, find an Iris car with Plum and 421 and you got the talk of the town in any town.

[RAII 4-speed]

LATEST UPDATE .... I have deceided not to purchase this GTO. I spoke with the seller of the car he claimed he did not know the car was not a true tri-power 4-speed convertible. But he also stated that the car would still be sold on E-Bay as he bought it as a tri power 4-speed convertible.
attached is the PHS that I ran on the car. I am posting this so others can see what the car was born as.
The owner of the car has the car registered in New Hampshire but also has a Massachusetts address I am not sure what State he will be listing the car as in (on E-Bay) whereas he claims to reside in both states.
YES this car still has value, BUT with a wrong trim tag to me it has lost a lot of value. I am not sure if it is legal to sell a car with a false trim tag.
The seller also stated he was going to freshen up the engine compartment with new paint to help sell the car.
Lesson here is...ALWAYS run a PHS prior to buying any Pontiac. I actually received the PHS on this car within 45 minuets VIA e-mail from JIm M at PHS.

[johnta1]

Did he say who the original dealer was where it came from?

[RAII 4-speed]

NO he did not.

[Tom Vaught]

My April Build 64 KC GTO has the "Tall 7" punch on the Data Plate.

Tom V.

[dld]

RAII 4-speed

looks like someone went to the pains to change the radiator to match the tri-carb. motor. Not saying that the TT rad did not come with a WT motor but the WT car would have to have had the optional 3.55 rear ordered. The PHS that you displayed does not show that to be .You may have looked to see if car had the YH rear that would be std in the WS car or option with the WT engine.

[Tom Vaught]

Did anyone read my post that said my Original Trim tag has the "Tall 7"
on it.

Also you said that the PHS and the Car said it was a GTO.

Difference being a Iris Mist Paint and Black Top deal?

Who says the TRIM TAG is actually a False Tag?

TV

This deal reminds me of the Year One statement that ALL 64-65 GTOs must have the 5N on the trim tag. We know that was pure BS.
Baltimore cars do not have it or Fremont cars.

[dld]

Originally Posted by dld

here is a tag from a car now on ebay. I don't see any difference. body build number seems in line . alignment is the same.

the only details to argue are the color and interior. Phs verified the color.

agree T.V.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

My April Build 64 KC GTO has the "Tall 7" punch on the Data Plate.

Tom V.

We could certainly do a case study on 64 KC tags if needed, might be good for another thread.

This is a 65 Baltimore car.
I wouldn't bring another tag from another plant, or another year, into the case study.

The Interior Color
and
The Top Color
are the wrong codes between BHC and Trim Tag
(2 wrongs don't usually make a right)

Then we discovered the 65 Baltimore characteristic of the Tall 7's by 3 examples , so far. Wide date range variances - so more examples will likely keep producing the same results. (Tall 7's)

The Iris Tag (65 Baltimore) does not have the Tall 7's - and it has 2 color codes changed.
Its a matter of eyesight and opinion as to whether who thinks the tag is RePop or genuine.

I would definitely bet its RePop Trim Tag.

The only bet that matters most is one of a potential buyer.
Between the seller, and the Trim Tag, its going to be hard to buy this car for a fair price . He wants WS money for a WT car.
The 2 color codes being conflict is just going to make it even tougher for the seller if he gets any seasoned potential buyers.

It is not illegal to change or swap Trim Tags.
It is not illegal to sell a car even without a Trim Tag.
Some things are more important to others, than to some.

GTO or 5N factor has not been previously called into debate or questioned on this GTO, that i have noticed. Its a 382 Baltimore GTO Iris Mist WT from the get-go.

Its a built up car from the late 80's or early 90's more than likely.
Lots of real nice and real correct appearing TriPower cars were built up back then.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

RAII 4spd ,
This Iris Vert is the lowest option content GTO Vert i have personally ever seen.

Besides the WS upgrade , how many other nice options did it have added ?
It came with
AM radio
Washer & 2spd Wipers
Back-Up lamps
4spd