[Judge273]

Great story! Those "Brass Hat cars" were as loaded as the drivers and passengers!!

[Steve Hoog]

Sounds about right on the money to me.

[Lloyd-TX]

Rhetorical question to those who may have asked a similar question of Jim M. in the past . . . how should I approach him to see if he would research this car for me?

No VIN, of course . . .

[Steve Hoog]

HAHA, I'm not sure that will happen. Better chance would be if Fred Simmons is still alive, would still help, and can.

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Steve Hoog

HAHA, I'm not sure that will happen. Better chance would be if Fred Simmons is still alive, would still help, and can.

Well, I'm working a couple of other angles, if those don't pan out then Fred is next on my list.

[OVERULD]

Cool story Lloyd. Can easily see that happening just the way it was written.

BJ

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Steve Hoog

HAHA, I'm not sure that will happen. Better chance would be if Fred Simmons is still alive, would still help, and can.

Fred is alive and well. Not sure about the willing part.

K

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Fred is alive and well. Not sure about the willing part.

K

That's what I'm afraid of, Keith . . .

[Lloyd-TX]

Well, the good news is that Mr. Simmonds is willing to help out. The bad news is that he's afraid that he'll be at a dead end without the VIN.

I have a call in to Jim M. to see what he can do, but . . .

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

In the mid-late 80's a car claimed to be a brass hat loaded factory Ram IV GTO factory A/C was advertised in Hemmings Motor News, and pretty sure it was in Texas.

I never called to ask about possible documentation / buildsheet / specific info.
I wasn't looking for an Automatic, it just perked my attention / skeptism.
Thats all i remember about it.

And this would have been just before 1-800-PONTIAC / free PMD Invoices became public as well.


At minimum, sort of like the "Y" 455 SD test car, seems like the PMD/PHS Invoice would reflect the Ram IV once car was sold to a dealer when Zone was finished.
Such a car likely would have caught some traveling gossip since then.

More food for speculation

[The Boss]

I'd love to see it - would be great to hear from Fred again too! I'm glad he's well.

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

In the mid-late 80's a car claimed to be a brass hat loaded factory Ram IV GTO factory A/C was advertised in Hemmings Motor News, and pretty sure it was in Texas.

I never called to ask about possible documentation / buildsheet / specific info.
I wasn't looking for an Automatic, it just perked my attention / skeptism.
Thats all i remember about it.

And this would have been just before 1-800-PONTIAC / free PMD Invoices became public as well.


At minimum, sort of like the "Y" 455 SD test car, seems like the PMD/PHS Invoice would reflect the Ram IV once car was sold to a dealer when Zone was finished.
Such a car likely would have caught some traveling gossip since then.

More food for speculation

Wow! Another "clue" - mucho thanks for that lead, Todd.

Now - since I've long ago hauled off all my HMNs for recycling, could / would someone who still has a stash old old issues from the 80s volunteer to search the ads?

Many thanks in advance!

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

In the mid-late 80's a car claimed to be a brass hat loaded factory Ram IV GTO factory A/C was advertised in Hemmings Motor News, and pretty sure it was in Texas.

I never called to ask about possible documentation / buildsheet / specific info.
I wasn't looking for an Automatic, it just perked my attention / skeptism.
Thats all i remember about it.

And this would have been just before 1-800-PONTIAC / free PMD Invoices became public as well.


At minimum, sort of like the "Y" 455 SD test car, seems like the PMD/PHS Invoice would reflect the Ram IV once car was sold to a dealer when Zone was finished.
Such a car likely would have caught some traveling gossip since then.

More food for speculation

OK - I'll pay a $100.00 "finders fee" for whomever finds that ad, scans it and e-mails it to me.

Someone has just gotta have old Hemmings Motor News from back in the 80's!

HELP!

[johnta1]

It also seemed like back then, that a lot of the 'rare' cars were listed in HOT ROD and Car Craft?

Possibly be in there also?
Or Smoke Signals?

[Steve Hoog]

I bet Gary has a stack of Old Hemmings; but getting him to go through them is a different story!

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Steve Hoog

I bet Gary has a stack of Old Hemmings; but getting him to go through them is a different story!

Paging muscle collector . . .

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by johnta1

It also seemed like back then, that a lot of the 'rare' cars were listed in HOT ROD and Car Craft?

Possibly be in there also?
Or Smoke Signals?

Great thoughts, John!

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Steve Hoog

I bet Gary has a stack of Old Hemmings; but getting him to go through them is a different story!

They're probably over at the old house.

[muscle_collector]

i do have every old hemmings for at least 25 to 30 years. if i knew what month and year i would look it up (and would pass on the finders fee), but digging thru and reading evry old ad, no i would rather pull out the old playboys and read them.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by The Boss

They're probably over at the old house.

this picture was taken around 86 or 87, man oh man, those were the days, that driveway would change weekly. every night whoever was over at the house, usually around 10:00 or 11:00 we would pick one out and go out and thrash the living crap out of it. back then that was way out in the country and almost never were any cops out there and we would line them up and drag race, do killer burnouts. wow again those were the days.