[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by pierced mikey

Chris, it was really good. The instructor was good, had a sense of humor and kept the class entertaining. 4 hours. That's all that is required. They have other classes besides the basic safety one too, I may go back for some others.

Sweet. I need to go do that. My brother is in the CG and he has his military training but not sure if he can carry in MA. My brother in law can carry in MA already. Might find a few people to see if they want to take the course with me.

[sixgunsblazing]

Originally Posted by shawn e.

Silly me where I came up with that! Long weekend!

I carry my P22!

Shawn

Ay, copy that.

The only bad gun is the one left at home, so carry on!

[400 4spd.]

Originally Posted by dataway

In NY ...kind of varies with the county...but I have a pistol permit in my county that allows ownership, carry while hunting, target shooting, possession while in transport to such activities...but it's not an actual carry permit in that you can't technically wear it on your hip walking down the street etc. Also the law seems kind of vague when it comes to concealment or not. State sets minimum requirements, counties tend to add on restrictions based on local politics.

I've had LEOs' tell me that regardless of what it says on the license you can carry concealed since there is no "law" against it if you have a permit .... it could be brought to the attention of the issuing judge should an LEO feel you are conducting yourself in some irresponsible way while carrying the pistol, permit could be revoked, but you could not be arrested for it.

I've had other LEOs say the permit in no way shape or form allows for the concealed carry for personal protection, and that another permit is needed for that ...but often a county DOESN'T issue such permits ...not because they disallow that type of carry...but simply because they have one type of permit they issue. (And they also can't really site a particular law you are violating). In which case some LEOs' say that whatever permit the county does issue should be good for concealed carry.

Add on top of this that individual cities, towns etc can add their own restrictions and it ends up being a patchwork of impossible to decipher legal mumbo jumbo.
JohnnyB

That is why you never ask a cop about the law when it involves the 2nd amendment. Opinions tend to get in the way of (and become) facts.

[Formulabruce]

Originally Posted by PMD1969

NY state and NYC are one of the most draconian states regarding 2nd and carry conceal. Before I would carry anything I would get a sign off from everyone including god in that state. Research your state and local laws.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

no wonder gun crime is HIGH in chicago!

[PonchoV8]

When I took the course I had a new-to-me .45 small frame I'd never fired before. The guy next to me said every time I fired he felt the skin on his face react. I barely qualified with mine. Comforting huh? He had about 3 holes in his target with a tricked out H&K .40. I got a C in Drivers Ed too. Bill will love that. It was partly because I hit the Drivers Ed car right on the roof with a super ball as a student was existing the school lot with the instructor in it.

[Sidponcho]

Mikey
Checkout the forums on this site, and do some serious reading before applying
www.northeastshooters.com
PM me if you have any questions....I can help

[pierced mikey]

Originally Posted by Sidponcho

Mikey
Checkout the forums on this site, and do some serious reading before applying
www.northeastshooters.com
PM me if you have any questions....I can help

Thanks, I'll check it out. They gave us an idea of what to say and what not to say on the application and stuff in the class. My friend goes to a range to go shooting too, with his wife. I'll have to tag along. Are you in Mass? I know you're somewhere in this area lol.

[ry57pont]

Mikey, you had to take a test to purchase? or conceal? - RB

[pierced mikey]

Originally Posted by ry57pont

Mikey, you had to take a test to purchase? or conceal? - RB

You can't purchase without a gun. FID card is for a shotgun or rifle. The other oprions are below. If you get caught with ammo in Mass without a license you're screwed.

CLASS “A" LTC: Permits the purchase, possession and carrying of all ammunition, handguns, rifles, shotguns and feeding devices (both large and non-large capacity). This is the only license that allows the carrying of concealed handguns-either loaded or unloaded.

CLASS “B" LTC: Permits the purchase, possession and carrying of all ammunition, non-large capacity handguns, and all rifles and shotguns (large and non-large capacity).

[ry57pont]

Wow, i had to get a permit (which was free) to buy a handgun, but i believe you dont even need a permit to purchace a rifle her in MN.

[400 4spd.]

Originally Posted by pierced mikey

You can't purchase without a gun. FID card is for a shotgun or rifle. The other oprions are below. If you get caught with ammo in Mass without a license you're screwed.

CLASS “A" LTC: Permits the purchase, possession and carrying of all ammunition, handguns, rifles, shotguns and feeding devices (both large and non-large capacity). This is the only license that allows the carrying of concealed handguns-either loaded or unloaded.

CLASS “B" LTC: Permits the purchase, possession and carrying of all ammunition, non-large capacity handguns, and all rifles and shotguns (large and non-large capacity).

Wow! You guys have to jump through burning hoops just to own a bullet.
Without a concealed handgun permit, I can go to my Sheriff's office and buy multiple handgun purchase permits, good for 5 years, for $5 each. Long guns do not require a purchase permit.
With a concealed handgun permit I can buy from an individual or gun store without a purchase permit. At the store, I just sign the required forms and walk out 10 minutes later with anything I can afford. And I can go back tomorrow and do the same thing again. From an individual, we can show our CHP and buy it.
Buying ammo requires no I.D. and no limit on quantity.
Are hollow points legal in MA?

[PonchoV8]

Originally Posted by 400 4spd.

With a concealed handgun permit I can buy from an individual or gun store without a purchase permit. At the store, I just sign the required forms and walk out 10 minutes later with anything I can afford.

You have to have a CCW to buy from an individual? And who says you have to afford it to buy it?

[400 4spd.]

Originally Posted by PonchoV8

You have to have a CCW to buy from an individual? And who says you have to afford it to buy it?

By law, an individual (private) sale requires showing of your CHP or handing over a purchase permit issued in your name.

[pierced mikey]

I want a Glock 40(either a 22 or 23) but our wonderful AG has made it near impossible to buy one manufactured after 98 Not sure about the hollow points

[PonchoV8]

Interesting--on the CHP for private sale.

Mikey, it's gotta be that it's a higher capacity for the reason? Or is it something else? What others are on the no-go list in similar caliber?

[pierced mikey]

Doug, it has to do with the regulations the AG set. They are allowed by law but must meet certain requirements and Glock gave up on Mass, after trying to sell their NY compliant pistol here(the "one in the chamber" indicator wasn't good enough)

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=913583

[sixgunsblazing]

Originally Posted by pierced mikey

Doug, it has to do with the regulations the AG set. They are allowed by law but must meet certain requirements and Glock gave up on Mass, after trying to sell their NY compliant pistol here(the "one in the chamber" indicator wasn't good enough)

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=913583

I think everyone's give up on Mass.


This is enough to give the AG an aneurism:

[cuz68]

Originally Posted by pierced mikey

Cuz...what? lol

Thanks Eric! It sucks that we have to jump through hoops to get it here. But even the instructor was making fun of the laws here, he said Mass makes it the hardest to get to carry, but then when you can some of the laws are more lax than right to carry states.

Get back or get killed, A man wiyh a loaded gun congreations be safe my friend.

[pierced mikey]

Originally Posted by sixgunsblazing

I think everyone's give up on Mass.


This is enough to give the AG an aneurism:

Well, at least we can still get something lol. I'm checking the S&W M&P my friend said those were pretty good. Hopefully we get a good AG that changes this nonsense. This site has a pretty good idea of what we can get.

http://www.fsguns.com/specials.html

[pierced mikey]

Originally Posted by cuz68

Get back or get killed, A man wiyh a loaded gun congreations be safe my friend.

lol ok that makes more sense Still have to get the actual license though. So I'm 1/3 of the way there(class, license then gun)