Pontiac - Street No question too basic here!

          
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 04-08-2016, 08:24 PM
ponjohn's Avatar
ponjohn ponjohn is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 9,551
Default

Cool build.

What compression?

  #22  
Old 04-08-2016, 09:10 PM
GTO JONES's Avatar
GTO JONES GTO JONES is online now
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: PRESCOTT VALLEY, ARIZONA
Posts: 406
Default

10.84 comp.

  #23  
Old 04-08-2016, 09:44 PM
77 TRASHCAN's Avatar
77 TRASHCAN 77 TRASHCAN is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: 31May2013 Temporary home to the world's widest (that we know of) tornado. Lord, NO more Please...
Posts: 6,648
Default

Can't wait to hear what Continental recommends for a converter. That should be an interesting conversation...you've got a 571 Pontiac?

__________________
1977 Black Trans Am 180 HP Auto, essentially base model T/A.
I'm the original owner, purchased May 7, 1977.

Shut it off
Shut it off
Buddy, I just shut your Prius down...
  #24  
Old 04-08-2016, 09:48 PM
71 T/A 71 T/A is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 2,378
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 77 TRASHCAN View Post
Can't wait to hear what Continental recommends for a converter. That should be an interesting conversation...you've got a 571 Pontiac?
Doesn't everyone? Lol!

  #25  
Old 04-08-2016, 10:09 PM
Hooter's Avatar
Hooter Hooter is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Springfield, IL
Posts: 3,868
Default

Sweet build. Same shortblock as in my 65. Gotta love the torque of the 4.75 arm.

__________________
65 Lemans Street Car - 521, T400, 3.70 9". 10.13 @ 135. 3770 lbs. Drag Week ‘14, ‘15, ‘17

63 Lemans Race Car- 8.81 @ 151, 5.60 @ 123(SOLD)

67 Bonneville ragtop

74 Firebird - 455, e heads, TK0600 in process
  #26  
Old 04-08-2016, 10:11 PM
b-man's Avatar
b-man b-man is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sunny So Cal
Posts: 17,050
Default

That 571 would be an ideal candidate for a 3.25 or even a bit taller gear.

Mountains of torque.

__________________
1964 Tempest Coupe LS3/4L70E/3.42
1964 Le Mans Convertible 421 HO/TH350/2.56
2002 WS6 Convertible LS1/4L60E/3.23
  #27  
Old 04-08-2016, 10:39 PM
GTO JONES's Avatar
GTO JONES GTO JONES is online now
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: PRESCOTT VALLEY, ARIZONA
Posts: 406
Default

I was thinking of a 3.50, I like the 3.25 idea, don't know how it would act on the low end.

  #28  
Old 04-08-2016, 10:45 PM
b-man's Avatar
b-man b-man is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sunny So Cal
Posts: 17,050
Default

You probably wouldn't see any difference in track performance between a 3.50 and a 3.25 gear.

Much more enjoyable on long drives with a taller gear, that 571 would easily tug a 2.75 and still tear your head off.

__________________
1964 Tempest Coupe LS3/4L70E/3.42
1964 Le Mans Convertible 421 HO/TH350/2.56
2002 WS6 Convertible LS1/4L60E/3.23
  #29  
Old 04-08-2016, 11:15 PM
GTO JONES's Avatar
GTO JONES GTO JONES is online now
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: PRESCOTT VALLEY, ARIZONA
Posts: 406
Default

I plan on driving it more, I'm going to retire and move to Arizona real soon.

  #30  
Old 04-09-2016, 12:31 AM
BB70's Avatar
BB70 BB70 is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: cincy, ohio
Posts: 454
Default

You could put that in the Ohio river & pull barges around with it!
Are we going to see it at Krogers in Milford again before you leave ?
John

  #31  
Old 04-09-2016, 07:04 AM
johnta1's Avatar
johnta1 johnta1 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: now sunny Florida!
Posts: 21,533
Default

Links to the Dyno pull pdf's:

571 PULL NO. 2 SHT. 1 OF 4.pdf

571 PULL NO. 2 SHT. 3 OF 4.pdf

571 PULL NO. 2 SHT. 4 OF 4.pdf

571 PULL NO. 3 SHT. 1 OF 4.pdf

571 PULL NO. 3 SHT. 3 OF 4.pdf

571 PULL NO. 3 SHT. 4 OF 4.pdf

Larry wrote:

Quote:
Here are some of the pulls and their corresponding sheets with other data. First 3 are one of the 2 dominators used. Last 3 is a 4150 950hp. There were a few dozen pulls on it trying all kinds of things but these are the ones where they were happy with a conservative pump gas tune. Ended up with a 2” super sucker on some of the last pulls and the engine loved it.


__________________
John Wallace - johnta1
Pontiac Power RULES !!!
www.wallaceracing.com

Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova
Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats

KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever!


"Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts."

"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates
  #32  
Old 04-09-2016, 08:23 AM
GTO JONES's Avatar
GTO JONES GTO JONES is online now
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: PRESCOTT VALLEY, ARIZONA
Posts: 406
Default

Oh yeah, it will be there....lol

  #33  
Old 04-09-2016, 12:28 PM
Formulajones's Avatar
Formulajones Formulajones is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 11,203
Default

My father said the dyno sheets showed up.

Thanks for doing that John, much appreciated.

  #34  
Old 04-09-2016, 01:08 PM
gtofreek's Avatar
gtofreek gtofreek is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tucson, Az.
Posts: 7,494
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BB70 View Post
You could put that in the Ohio river & pull barges around with it!
Are we going to see it at Krogers in Milford again before you leave ?
John
So what are you saying? His car is a boat? LOL!

Great job Jones'!

__________________
Paul Carter
Carter Cryogenics
www.cartercryo.com
520-409-7236
Koerner Racing Engines
You killed it, We build it!
520-294-5758

64 GTO, under re-construction, 412 CID, also under construction.
87 S-10 Pickup, 321,000 miles
99Monte Carlo, 293,000 miles
86 Bronco, 218,000 miles
  #35  
Old 04-09-2016, 01:15 PM
Will Will is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Pugetopolis
Posts: 5,297
Default

Dang. That's a big motor!

I bet you could put 3.08s out back and it would be plenty fast and an absolute blast to drive on the freeway.

__________________
----------------------------
'72 Formula 400 Lucerne Blue, Blue Deluxe interior - My first car!
'73 Firebird 350/4-speed Black on Black, mix & match.
  #36  
Old 04-09-2016, 01:45 PM
b-man's Avatar
b-man b-man is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sunny So Cal
Posts: 17,050
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will View Post
Dang. That's a big motor!

I bet you could put 3.08s out back and it would be plenty fast and an absolute blast to drive on the freeway.
Fully agree.

Here's thread featuring a car that surely weighs in very close to the '69 GTO that is the subject of this thread, running solid 11.40s (best run 11.3893 at 120.63 MPH with a 1.6802 60ft) with 109 less cubes and about 150 less HP using a 3.08 gear:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...highlight=3.08

I wouldn't hesitate to run a gear somewhere between 3.00 and 3.25 (Ford 9"), leaning towards the taller gears.

No need to spin that big 4.75" stroke excessively while enjoying a long drive, I'd be willing to give up a tenth or two at the track to enjoy a lot of cruising into the sunset during my retirement.

__________________
1964 Tempest Coupe LS3/4L70E/3.42
1964 Le Mans Convertible 421 HO/TH350/2.56
2002 WS6 Convertible LS1/4L60E/3.23
  #37  
Old 04-09-2016, 02:06 PM
Formulas Formulas is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,834
Default

Nice build...for a mostly street cruise car I would be inclined to have continental build a tight enough converter to let the engine idle then couple up quick after idle..
My reasoning is even at 1500 RPM that engine is probably out torqueing most engines at their peak and it wont stay at 1500 RPM very long with that torque.
2.50`s or 2.70`s gear out back, gears multiply torque, how much do ya need at the tires..
These two things would make it seem like a mellow stock car at part throttle and putting around will make the engine last longer and then when the hammer is dropped I would be willing to bet not much would be lost from a 3000 stall and 3.20 gear

Probably hook a lot more street racers telling them you have a 2.50 gear and stock converter If that's your thing

.

__________________
If your not at the table you're on the menu
A man who falls for everything stands for nothing.
  #38  
Old 04-09-2016, 06:44 PM
GTO JONES's Avatar
GTO JONES GTO JONES is online now
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: PRESCOTT VALLEY, ARIZONA
Posts: 406
Default

Yeah, I agree I lean toward the 3.25 right now with a tight conv. (better gas mileage too) lol. It came with a 3.23 when it was new.

  #39  
Old 04-09-2016, 09:16 PM
jonmachota78's Avatar
jonmachota78 jonmachota78 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Salisbury, IL
Posts: 1,430
Default

very cool car!

__________________
'78 Macho T/A DKM#95, 460cid, SRP pistons, KRE 310 D ports,
3" pypes, Hooker 1 3/4" headers, hydraulic roller,
10" Continental, 3.42 gears
11.5 @117.5mph 3900lbs
([_|_] ##\|/##[_|_])
  #40  
Old 04-09-2016, 09:29 PM
p4msi1's Avatar
p4msi1 p4msi1 is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Louisa, Va
Posts: 503
Send a message via AIM to p4msi1
Default

If you are cruising it alot you will like the 3.08's. Very nice build and good luck.

Steve

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:29 PM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017