FAQ |
Members List |
Social Groups |
Calendar |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#321
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
The 1966 Royal Race car that Milt drove was a legal NHRA 389/ 360HP. Officially the GeeTO Tigers and their tow cars were well prepaired 389/360HP 4 speeds. Eric
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
#322
|
||||
|
||||
Don,
This is Royal's 1964 GeeTeeOoh! Dick Jess and Jim Wangers shared driving "Royal's Tuff LiL". Since at the end of the 1964 model year Jim Wangers was asked, corrected told, he could no longer officially race Dick went on to do his own cars. Here are Royal Pontiac's high performance salesman Dick Jesse's cars. Royal only wanted to be known for it stock class race cars. So Dick Jesse was sponsored first by one of Royal Pontic's Race car suppliers/race car mechanic's shops. Clarence Walthers' Highland Park Transmission in Highland Park, MI. Then in 1966 Dick was sponsored by Stan Long Pontiac. Here is Pete Seaton's '63 Catalina SD 421 sponsored by Ace Wilson's Royal Pontiac. Pete's dad was a General Motors VP. Pete's dad asked Jim Wangers get his son into racing. Pete went onto campaign many Chevrolets known as "Seaton's Shakers".
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
#323
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
This is the first Ive seen and heard that Royal had a 1964 GTO. Any info on the times it posted?? Also the 1965 GTO Royal drag car arent spoken of much either. Its the 1966 GeeTeeOh GTO's you get more info/read about. Thanks, Don
__________________
1966 GTO 1966 421-9.3-1 comp-Race Tec 23cc Pistons 1966 Tri-Power 1967 670 Heads Pontiac "Highlift" TriPower Cam by SpeedPro DUR 214 Int 224 Exh @.050 - 107 ICL LIFT .445" Int .465" Exh Tri-Y-Headers by Tribal Tubes w/ Goerlich Mufflers 1966 Muncie Wide Ratio 4-Speed 1968-72 Chevy 12 Bolt Rear End w/ 3.73 rear gears |
#324
|
||||
|
||||
How about the 1967 test session at Motor City Dragway. Most people think Royal kept going back to the drag strip for every magazine article. Not true.
Look in the back ground and you will see a couple more Firebirds. One of the Firebirds is the Mystery Bird and the other one is for the compairson of the automatic vs the 4 speed Firebird test. I want you to look closely at the picture of Sid Warren where he is puting the wing nut onto the air cleaner lid. Can you see the edge of the ram air pan that holds the foam? Is it a smooth edge like stamped steel or a rough wavy edge you'd find on fiberglass? Humm. Many times the slower driver got the fastest car and the faster driver the slower car to keep things at least close if not even. There was a reason we call John Poitzer "Cheater". Look at the way he lines up the 2+2 at the light. It is not straight. By coming in a little sideways he fools the starting light that he has a larger tire and the timer will not start until he breaks the beam. Think about it. There are several other tricks John would use. You'll note John usually gets them out of the hole. My good buddy, John "Cheater" Polizter. Really...LOL One more page just for a paragraph.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#325
|
||||
|
||||
Last paragraph....
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#326
|
||||
|
||||
'64 Royal GTO and Dick Jesse's '65
Quote:
Eric
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
#327
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Why didn't Royal do any Magazine articles of putting the big car engines into the A body cars?? A 421 into a 1965 or 1966 GTO or the 428 into a 1967 GTO. You think Wangers would have been trying to show every type of combo to sell the GTO. I know there is the 1968 GTO "The Bossman" that did have a 428 put into it for a magazine article. Just curious, Don
__________________
1966 GTO 1966 421-9.3-1 comp-Race Tec 23cc Pistons 1966 Tri-Power 1967 670 Heads Pontiac "Highlift" TriPower Cam by SpeedPro DUR 214 Int 224 Exh @.050 - 107 ICL LIFT .445" Int .465" Exh Tri-Y-Headers by Tribal Tubes w/ Goerlich Mufflers 1966 Muncie Wide Ratio 4-Speed 1968-72 Chevy 12 Bolt Rear End w/ 3.73 rear gears |
#328
|
||||
|
||||
Here is what two over the hill street racers look like trying to change the ecentric on my 68 428 GTO Royal Bobcat last year.
It was John that was excited to get his hands dirty and get it done. So I ask myself, why am I always the one one getting dity when it was John's idea? It must be the age thing.... I can still get up off the ground without groaning. You know at John age it gets more difficult. Just kidding John! Say, do you like my classic wooden creeper? It was my wife Janis that wanted to document this. LOL P.S. This is John "Cheater" Politzer.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 Last edited by Dr. Eric M. Schiffer; 11-05-2011 at 06:18 PM. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#329
|
||||
|
||||
Ahhh. Now you want me to dig up those artilces too.
But first for the same reason Jim was told to stop appearing in the magazines he had to first and foremost promote Pontiac on behave of all of the dealers around the country. Jim had many hats but he worked for the ad agency. Very few dealership wanted to even get near performance. They just wanted to sell sedans. Remeber at first Royal Pontiac was only a testing ground to see there was an interest in dealerships handling performance equiptment. From there Royal Pontiac really became the high performance distrbutorship to the other dealers around the country. Give a little time and I'll get you those.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
#330
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Thanks again Doc, Don
__________________
1966 GTO 1966 421-9.3-1 comp-Race Tec 23cc Pistons 1966 Tri-Power 1967 670 Heads Pontiac "Highlift" TriPower Cam by SpeedPro DUR 214 Int 224 Exh @.050 - 107 ICL LIFT .445" Int .465" Exh Tri-Y-Headers by Tribal Tubes w/ Goerlich Mufflers 1966 Muncie Wide Ratio 4-Speed 1968-72 Chevy 12 Bolt Rear End w/ 3.73 rear gears |
#331
|
||||
|
||||
1968 GTO Royal Bobcat 428 Road Test
Here is an article on the 1968 GTO 428 Royal Pontiac Bobcat. This red GTO appeared in several article that year with different engines including the 400 Ram Air II.
As soon as I dig it up I'll give you a 428 Firebird test. By the way all of the locals knew we could get the 421 and 428's and did. As I put in one of my earlier posts my friend Les Goodman had royal put in a 428 with Ram Air IV heads when his original 400 was ruined.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
#332
|
||||
|
||||
Myrtle Motors 1968 428 Firebird test
Here is the 1968 Firebird 428 test. There where other dealerships beside Royal doing the convertions. Royal is mentioned in the article.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#333
|
||||
|
||||
Dick Jesse's Mr. Unswitchable
Quote:
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#334
|
||||
|
||||
Second article on Dick Jess's 1965
Here is a second artile on Dick's 1965 GTO.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 Last edited by Dr. Eric M. Schiffer; 11-05-2011 at 08:38 PM. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#335
|
||||
|
||||
A complete article on Dick Jesse's very advanced thinking 1966 GTO.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#336
|
||||
|
||||
I want the Royal plate on your 68.lol.
Is that an original from 'back in the day'? |
#337
|
||||
|
||||
1968 Royal Pontiac License Plate
Quote:
You'll have to look closely at the back cover of the 1968 Royal Pontiac Catalogue on the bottom you will see two '68 GTOs. They both have the Royal Pontiac front license plate and frame on them. Also look closely and you will see the front plate on both my '68 GTO and Firebird "Black Bird" as they flank Jim Wangers '69 Judge. Heck, enlarge the photo next to my name. The black bird has one on it at the strip. It was on a magazine and in a few books with that plate on it. Early on I first had a personalized plate 1BLKBRD then I had a 1968 Manufactures (M) plate on the car which required a front and rear plate. The GTO having a 1968 Dealer (D) plate only required the rear plate. That is why some of the Pontiac from Royal had two plates and others had only one. The factores used to and still do use regular Michigan plates. In the old days they used to be creative and get the first two then later first three letters GM, CH or CHY and FD. Now it is just non discript plates. LOL
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 Last edited by Dr. Eric M. Schiffer; 11-06-2011 at 10:56 AM. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Eric M. Schiffer For This Useful Post: | ||
#338
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Don
__________________
1966 GTO 1966 421-9.3-1 comp-Race Tec 23cc Pistons 1966 Tri-Power 1967 670 Heads Pontiac "Highlift" TriPower Cam by SpeedPro DUR 214 Int 224 Exh @.050 - 107 ICL LIFT .445" Int .465" Exh Tri-Y-Headers by Tribal Tubes w/ Goerlich Mufflers 1966 Muncie Wide Ratio 4-Speed 1968-72 Chevy 12 Bolt Rear End w/ 3.73 rear gears |
#339
|
||||
|
||||
did you know bill knafel personally?
|
#340
|
||||
|
||||
Bill Knafel
Sorry, I was only introduced to him by Jim Wangers at Norwalk several year ago when he was driven by Jim's tent.
__________________
1968 Firebird Ram Air, "Jim Wangers' Black Bird" 1968 GTO Convertible 2002 Corvette Z06 |
Reply |
|
|