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#321
09-15-2012, 03:37 PM
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... we got driving directions and a date for a grudge race to agree on here Scott, please guys, lets focus on making this race happen, as we dont want to take the blame for all this talk not turning into an actual race ... ... ok, i'll bump it to $500 dollars ?? ... so c'mon Jack, quit dodging it already, you have agreed to the race, but we still gotta' nail down the place, the time, and the Money !!! ... |
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#322
09-15-2012, 03:49 PM
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You are right Bill that needs to be a thread in and of itself. But I will say for the record...I have no worries about speaking about it on an open forum. I'm not skeert..don't think someone else would feel the same way, but I could be wrong. You don't scare me with the whole "I don't think they wann' do that" statement. SMFH...
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 Fastest Blow-thru Pontiac powered car in the Country 8.440@166.97 (3465lbs) Fastest Pontiac CV-1 car on the planet with only 6 passes on the combo: 4.80@147.65/ 7.49@180.12MPH (3365lbs) |
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#323
09-15-2012, 03:53 PM
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... and for all the other "Head War" BS, it amazes me how you guys keep starting threads, or going in other peoples threads making your BS statements, and then turn right around and blame us for it ??? ...
... how quiet were things after Norwalk ?? ... and then guess what ?? Capt' Jack starts another one, and look where it has ended up guys ?? But yet, it is the CV-1 guys fault ?? ... We didnt start this mess ... ... its very simple, if you guys that keep running your mouths, simply stop running your mouths, well then so will we ??? ... its not complicated ... ... Hedrick makes a great statement here, we can simply "Agree to DisAgree" ??? ... ... everyone knows your opinions, as well as ours ... 
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#324
09-15-2012, 03:58 PM
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... pardon my ignorance, but what is SMFH ? ... i'm not familiar with that one ... 
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#325
09-15-2012, 04:10 PM
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Well that was the impression I got and several other people not even in my camp felt the same way that texted me after they read the post.
Could some things been better/changed with my set up...absolutely and I'm not afraid to take ownership of that. Should it do what it did multiple times...absolutely not. SMFH= shaking my phucking head Signing off for the evening. might check it out on my phone...my life doesn't revolve around racing and this chit anymore... 
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Fastest Blow-thru Pontiac powered car in the Country 8.440@166.97 (3465lbs) Fastest Pontiac CV-1 car on the planet with only 6 passes on the combo: 4.80@147.65/ 7.49@180.12MPH (3365lbs) |
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#326
09-15-2012, 06:12 PM
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Agreed, lets focus on the race and not others head issues or non issues what ever the case maybe...
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#327
09-15-2012, 07:11 PM
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... i agree 100% ... so now we can focus on the grudge race yes ?? ... Date ??/??/20?? Time ??:?? Money ??? ... lets do it already ... 
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#328
09-15-2012, 08:34 PM
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I was testing some intakes and did not have time to put a tune on my car for the intake that I ended up running for the remainder of the race, I had a tune that would keep me consistant for the remainder of the runs that I had left, and ran the car within .002 the rest of the weekend. if it were not for a .001 redlight I would have gone another round or two on Sat. and I had that race covered by .04. that redlight sucked, considering the great lights I was cutting all weekend. But on a side note, if a good race come to fruition, I would like to be a part of it, and will put up a Grand of my own money to any N/A non ported "E" head that can take my car to the stripe heads up, Must be a door car, and within a couple hundred pounds of 3400. |
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#329
09-15-2012, 08:42 PM
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Face it guys Roland Racing makes a high quality product. PERIOD! There is nothing wrong with the CV-1 cylinder head at all. The only thing that is wrong is a few people's opinions.... Thanks again Jim for giving Pontiac people another option for a cylinder head. 
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#330
09-15-2012, 09:29 PM
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Lets add that the looser adds a $100 to every tenth they loose by. Just to keep it fair.
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#331
09-15-2012, 09:42 PM
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By the nature of the beast, I don't think you'll find anyone trying to run quick with an un-ported E head. I wish Edelbrock would have given Pontiac a performance option (out of the box) but we were lucky back then just to have the head.
Dino, your car is flying! |
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#332
09-15-2012, 09:58 PM
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I have to add I foot brake my car, no trans brake on it, I don't need that crutch. It only adds to the parts breakage. I have been racing for 30 plus years and have not had many problems through the years with broken parts. I'm an old school racer, and put my skills up against all the folks running boxes, and other means of of non skilled types of raceing. I have taken the the Box No Box race many times. Certainly won my fair share of them.
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#333
09-15-2012, 11:14 PM
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No way!!!!!! This is seriously the most retarded "challenge" I've ever heard of. 
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#334
09-16-2012, 12:03 AM
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... R70, not going to jump on you here, so please dont read it that way, but you have just made our point completely !! Which is great !! ... ... The CV-1 is a perfect way to get into that level of performance with an unported head and rocker arms, Dino usually shifts in the 6700-6800 rpm range, and with the CV-1 balanced valvetrain, this is easy ... ... the point is to compare what it takes to get an E-Head to run like Dino's car runs, or better in some cases ?? (yes) but, those are not the norm, and to get low 9's with a combo like Dino's makes a lot of sense for many people, as most just want to bolt stuff on and go ... ... and the quality of this head is unmatched by any, as well as the cooling capabilty also, and this is not a slam, i'm not saying that, but this is simply what you get with CV-1 cylinder heads ... ... and we are not lying to you guys either, Dino's car has run a best of 9.1 in decent to good air, this is not a bad thing, this is a great thing !!! ... ... and with "all things considered", the CV-1 is tough to beat ... but to agree with your point further, the CV-1 should not be compared to an unported E-Head, but there are many that still believe that the unported E-Head, or even a non-wide port, ported E-Head is a better head, which quite simply put, it is not ...
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#335
09-16-2012, 12:37 AM
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Bill, I dont think you'll find anyone that says a completely untouch e-head will beat an untouched cv1. But once you port both of them do you still feel its as clear which head is better? How do you feel it compares to the HP head which is probably 50hp better than the e-head?
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#336
09-16-2012, 01:21 AM
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... now once the porting reaches the level of WidePorts and HP's like yours, yes, i know where this part leads, we (cv-1 guys) have to take into consideration cars like Kinsler, even your car for example, both run very well obviously which are great examples, our best comparison to that level so far, would be Quinn's 484c.i. Fusion Headed 62' Cat, which has run a best of 8.7's, which i dont think he's fully reached its potential, considering the tranny is a little overkill, and the carburetion on that car, which i'm sure Marcella's sheet manifold would benefit greatly from a nice pair of 4150's, and maybe some smaller wheel stands too ( Larry ??) ...... as far as power adder combo's, while those cars are still being refined, and that is not a shot at Hedrick in anyway, but i think the bulk of data so far shows the CV-1 has the advantage, as well it should i think, considering the CV-1's exceptional strength and rigidty at high temps, and better cooling, and i'm not trying to be a smart-butt here, just trying to answering the questions the best i can ... ... now once you raise the bar to the Langer, Rex, DDA72, Dixon, and Kinsler level, etc., ... obviously we are not there yet, do i think we can be, yes, but obviously we have to prove that, which will take time, am i saying the unported CV-1 will do that ?? NO !! but i dont see any harm in being positive about our program, so i'm trying to not come across as challenging, or disrespectful here, but that doesnt mean i dont have goals, but this is what the 72' Camaro is for, do i feel its the perfect car for the job ? No way !! But it's all i could afford, and that was with help mind you, and i am usually not one to take part in the " What will it make" threads, but the goal for the Camaro is to see how close we can get to that "Langer" type of performance, and that is not a shot at Langer either ... ... if we can get the CV-1 to that level of performance, or even close to it, then i feel with where the head is currently, as far as its unported performance, great quality, high flexibility, affordability, combined with what the new development (ReTool, RacePlates, 18 headbolts, etc) should add to the head, it should be the best bang for the buck cylinder head available ... especially considering ports like the CV-345 will be a simple CNC program upgrade ... ... and that is the best way i can explain it, hopefully this reads as a positive thing for anyone reading this ... we are simply trying to make a head that offers the most, for the least, in one platform ... and if we can pull that off, i think it will be one kick-butt little street/strip head IMO ... ... sorry for the bible Brian ... 
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#337
09-16-2012, 01:23 AM
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[QUOTE=slowbird;4732270]Bill, I dont think you'll find anyone that says a completely untouch e-head will beat an untouched cv1.Quote]
... i wanted to answer this seperately, but i bet 69Goat1 and DragnCar would put up one hell of a fight though, lol ... ... now that was a joke guys ...
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#338
09-16-2012, 06:50 AM
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#339
09-16-2012, 10:09 AM
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Pretty much lays out precise goals for the CV-1 head program in a logical, no bs manner that most people could understand. The deal is that the "Other Guys" WILL ALSO be developing their heads/ combinations so it may appear that all of your improvements to the CV-1 heads just kept you from falling back further in the pack. I remember when a guy named Tony Seymore posted in one of Pete McCarthy's magazine articles that the best flow you could get out of a traditional Pontiac head was 265 cfm. Boy how times have changed once we got away from that type of thinking. Tom Vaught
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#340
09-16-2012, 11:15 AM
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Do you think racers hang on his every word when making a buying decision? You must think LilJack is the Dalai Lama of the Pontiac Racing World and you need his endorsement. If you are going to use the Internet to advertise your product then that is fine, look to All Pontiac as an example...put up track results and let those speak for themselves. Or follow the example of Butler and KRE...stay off the internet, build company and customer cars that put up the number and ignore the naysayers. |
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