[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by KO

Brian 69 Firebird

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


I needed a good laugh.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by tom s

I still offer to pay the entry fee for the first CV headed car that enters the HU/NA race at Norwalk!The offer has been out there for what?4 years now?Tom

Maybe give them the back tire and the leave to make it a little more fair.

[GREATGTO]

You would think billet heads would have an advantage versus heads with water jackets since you have more room to put ports where you want. As far as Brian's car Id like to know if he blows it up again will it be the heads fault? Whenever he has trouble its somehow the heads fault yet he is still running them. Lets get an answer before it happens?

[badgto]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

You would think billet heads would have an advantage versus heads with water jackets since you have more room to put ports where you want. As far as Brian's car Id like to know if he blows it up again will it be the heads fault? Whenever he has trouble its somehow the heads fault yet he is still running them. Lets get an answer before it happens?

If Brain does come out and runs a bad azz number and keeps it healthy will you ride his coattail because its a cv-1 head?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

You would think billet heads would have an advantage versus heads with water jackets since you have more room to put ports where you want. As far as Brian's car Id like to know if he blows it up again will it be the heads fault? Whenever he has trouble its somehow the heads fault yet he is still running them. Lets get an answer before it happens?

My heads have water in them.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by badgto

If Brain does come out and runs a bad azz number and keeps it healthy will you ride his coattail because its a cv-1 head?

More like swing from his nuts.

[S/st 54]

Originally Posted by badgto

If Brain does come out and runs a bad azz number and keeps it healthy will you ride his coattail because its a cv-1 head?

Correction! Brian has UT-1's.........UTTTF!

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

My heads have water in them.

... LMAO !!! ...

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Really. A SB Ford with 2 stages was running those numbers ay the same weight years ago.
I would hope they could do better than a 412 cid Ford Small Block engine (with a much bigger engine and 3 stages). Lets see some 7.40s.

Tom V.

Originally Posted by KO

John Force went 3s with a Ford plastic body with a Mopar engine which is just as relevant on this site

1) The Ford has Nitrous (2 stages)
Fulton has Nitrous 3 stages

2) The Ford had a Dry Sump System
Fulton has a Dry Sump System

3) The Ford was running a Canted Valve "Old School" Yates head
Fulton is running a canted valve head.

4) The Ford was running a 10.5 W tire
Fulton probably has something better years later.

5) The Ford as was said was running basically a small engine (with rpm)
Fulton is running a much larger engine within 500 rpm of the Ford engine's rpm

6) Compression ratio is similar if you believe the posts on the board.

So how do these specs resemble a John Force plastic bodied vehicle with a Mopar engine?

Tom V.

[Aaron Quinton]

Dude he's talking to you too. lol

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Maybe give them the back tire and the leave to make it a little more fair.

[KO]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

1) The Ford has Nitrous (2 stages)
Fulton has Nitrous 3 stages

2) The Ford had a Dry Sump System
Fulton has a Dry Sump System

3) The Ford was running a Canted Valve "Old School" Yates head
Fulton is running a canted valve head.

4) The Ford was running a 10.5 W tire
Fulton probably has something better years later.

5) The Ford as was said was running basically a small engine (with rpm)
Fulton is running a much larger engine within 500 rpm of the Ford engine's rpm

6) Compression ratio is similar if you believe the posts on the board.

So how do these specs resemble a John Force plastic bodied vehicle with a Mopar engine?

Tom V.

no real Pontiac enthusiast gives a damn about what some Ford runs
1000s of max effort Fords out there, only a dozen or so all out Pontiacs
"old school" heads with 50 years of development compared to street heads worked over

a real comparison would be an FE Ford vs. Pontiac...not even close

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by badgto

If Brain does come out and runs a bad azz number and keeps it healthy will you ride his coattail because its a cv-1 head?

I will brag about it as much as anyone else running cv1 heads, meaning none. I like or don't like people based on the individual, not what kind of car he runs or which heads he has.

People like to come on here and talk crap about Robin who is one of nicest and most decent people to post on the forums. They could at least wait for him to be here to defend himself.

Those who like to be aholes and play politics are irrelevant on anything they do or don't do.

[GREATGTO]

Tom should spend more time on ford forums, why does he live on a Pontiac site?

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

My heads have water in them.

So you wouldn't have any problem letting your car run for several minutes then racing? It is a street car still right?

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Fultons combo is NOT unlimited budget! More money than a street strip car? Sure, but no way unlimited budget.



At what weight and CI is this Buick? Is it NA? How is this relevant to a Pontiac discussion?
Do you specialize in port development or are you just another machinist with a die grinder porting heads and intakes?
I'm honest enough to say even I can make improvements with a die grinder and sand rolls but NO WAY am I a head porter nor am I claiming I could out do your work.

1100 HP NA Pontiac as a nitrous build(with the n2o off) compared against an NA Pontiac build with same ci or larger with over 3 points more compression is splitting hairs??? Really??? Cam timing events totally unfavorable to optimum NA requirements, manifolding, headers etc.. Really???

Just maybe you ought to find out who else uses the dyno Dick uses. Maybe you want to find out who witnessed results. Maybe find out what Dicks track reults were with his E-heads compared to numbers from same dyno. Others results from same dyno.

Its OK for you to tell us a dyno number, but somehow anything from the CV camp is a lie?

Dont get me wrong, not diminishing anyones Pontiac 1100+ hp NA build(not many regardless of head choice and they benefit all of us eventually), nor am I out to diminish your customers results.

I do however look at what an entire build is and judge it accordingly. They are all the sum of what they are.

To suggest nearly 4 points compression and same or greater cubes at higher rpm is "splitting hairs" is about as misleading as it gets.

Its as if you are assuming the average reader in this forum isnt smart enough to see the difference or know that a power adder motor is a completely different build than an NA combo.

Write this in the dust on your dash. If i went n20 single carb........1130hp. Youre over estimating the differences effect on power.

[Aaron Quinton]

All bs a side, if both parties show it should be a great day for the Pontiac faithful.

DF is bringing a bad 69 bird with very nice power topped with CV-1 heads.

LJ is bringing a killer GTO with ba Visner billet heads and intake.

LJ has demonstrated quick times as well as DF. Pick your camp, that's fine. But if this race happens it's the most anticipated race in the last few years.

Good luck to both camps and let the baddest machine win. It's going to be good!

[Elarson]

I'm looking forward to this race happening. My biggest hope is that both combinations exceed the naysayers expectations. Beyond that, I don't really care who wins.

Eric

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Elarson

I'm looking forward to this race happening. My biggest hope is that both combinations exceed the naysayers expectations. Beyond that, I don't really care who wins.

Eric

DITTO!!


GTO George

[JSPONT]

It is sort of apples and oranges. 1/8 mile car vs 1/4 mile car. If Jack wins to the 1/8, and Fulton wins to the 1/4, what did it prove? It proved both guys have bad azz cars that I wish I could afford and race. It's like a prise fight, talk the chit, after the fighters hug and say good fight!

[Jeff Kinsler]

Can't wait this should be fun!