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Tom, I'm not retired and one of the folks that works. We working folks are having to work longer hours and be more productive to make up for the slackers in our Nation that are sitting on the sidelines. So long posts with supporting data won't happen from me. All my posts are factual and based towards the OP's original question. If you feel like "calling someone out" you might want to question the guys claiming you can buy a 5.3 from a wrecking yard for $500 and run tens.... I call BS As far as the LS engines go, I'm plenty experienced with them.I have personally built many, ported hundreds of heads and converse regularly with my friend who builds LS engines for one of the largest LS shops in the country. As far as the 6 foot guy that lost his balancer I wonder if maybe he banged his head on the hood of his car (due to his extreme height), became loopy and misadjusted his torque wrench when he was installing his balancer .... One possible explanation because I am well over six feet tall and have bumped my head a few times over the years.... It happens |
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Like I posted earlier Paul I am done with this one, just replying to your last post.
Put in 39 years at the work game and we can talk about that again. TV
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I know you did (worked 39 years) and congratulations on your retirement. I've got twenty seven years in now and going to slow down in the next year or so. I'm taking my father's advice and retire as soon as you can afford to. He was blessed with thirty one years of retirement.
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Tom and I don't always agree but he can sure see when the outstanding performance is overwhelming.
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LOL there are always going to be some Pontiac loyals that turn a blind eye.
I lost track of this thread a couple pages ago, and looks like it hasn't changed. So I'm not sure where someone may have said buy an LS in a junk yard for $500 and run tens, but that certainly doesn't happen for $500. Not sure where that came from. My intent was to explain they are plentiful for cheap and easy to swap and turn key as is. That's what makes them enticing for retro swaps. If you want to go slapping turbos on them that's a different ballgame. I've seen many get away with it on a budget and go pretty quick. It's one of the few engines I've seen able to do that in stock form and last for at least a while, but that's not the way I really prefer to do it. |
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If you want to turn your Pontiac into a "who cares car" stick a LS under the hood. And they are ugly.
PMD all they way. |
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That's where I differ from many people that consider themselves a "car enthusiast"
Not that I advocate doing it, but I can appreciate a classic car no matter what it is. Building and restoring them for a living I guess gives me a better understanding what it takes, and the effort and money involved. My taste really has nothing to do with it. |
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This thread went sideways. The OP posted he didn't think an LS offered a bunch of advantages over "our" Poniac engines in the horsepower production department. It is a true statement. It actually seems the Internetters and LS swap guys took it a bit hard (quite often the truth hurts) and wanted to justify their reasoning for favoring an LS engine over a Pontiac. It was mostly folks that enjoy Internet Fairy Tales or guys that have a hard time finding money to spend on a Pontiac engine build.
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Junk yard LS, cheap turbo, make more power than you will with 10K in a Pontiac motor. I love Pontiac motors and anything other than a Pontiac in a Pontiac is a sin, but I don't think this is a hard one to answer, LS way cheaper to build, heads flow great, rugged blocks.
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I NEVER SAID JY $500 motor and run tens!!! Not yelling just emphasizing.
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Okay, I was just reading it from one of the other guys, I didn't see the actual post.
Last time I was here the other day there were only 8 pages?? I get a notification and now there are 11 or 12 LOL. I wasn't going back through to read all that since most of it is, well,,,,,,you know. |
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Nearly every "melted" turbo LS done on the cheap conversion i've seen melts #7 piston - and yes, steam ports left intact. One of the owners I worked with did it 3 times. Zero issues with tune, heaps of fuel and 10* timing. Apparently not an isolated situation and many others report the same issue with stock bottom end motors. So routinely melting #7, sleeving/machining, time pulling an engine, time refitting an engine, time removing and refitting turbo pipework, routinely buying/dumping fluids from engine, the high power (short lived) LS junk swap deal gets pretty ****. Above owner that did the cheap turbo 5.3 conversion has since sold that engine/turbo combination because he got sick of it melting all the time and has gone back to a normal 350 SBC that was factory option in his car (Holden). Do LS's have their place? Absolutely, I love my LS3 in my daily driver. But am I absolutely thrilled that Paul is building me a new engine for my Monaro and it's still a conventional Pontiac deal? Hell yeah! So don't retire just yet mate
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Just a little tid bit for those closet LS guys I know are lurking here |
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Aftermarket PCM like a TerminatorX, Megasquirt, Haltech, no problems to trim cyl7 injector higher and trim the other 7 at 100%. But you're also up $1-2.5k just in engine management to do that. Which went against the owners philosophy of that motor which melted #7, 3 times, unfortunately. And others...
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