[BrandX]

PS.....
Mini 481x makes me giggle. That would be end all badass.

[cfmcnc]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Why is it whenever there is a good head, motor, part or whatever these threads get pissed on with people trying to validate its worth by how much it cost.
Bang for the buck chit.

A good part is........ a good idea, good engineering, and then the ability to produce it. Money has nothing to do with it.
Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

X3 When the phone rings and the very first question is How Much Money does it cost?We are dealing with someone that will never go to the head of the class.Bill C.

[cboggs]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

THIS is a big issue,, same crap happens in my shop.
racer wants the best / fastest / latest but wants
a budget price.

it doesn't work, money is the facilitator in
these projects. It takes resources to make these
types of advancements, resources cost money.
It's they way it works,, no free lunch.

I recently had a few pro level customers who
thought I should do record setting work at
a free or near free rate! I'll put your sticker on
my car bull****.

meanwhile I have rent, electricity, employees,
Morgage, good, family etc to pay for.
Can't expect great work from someone who's
wondering how he's gonna pay the rent.

Money is the facilitator for great work !

Curtis

[cfmcnc]

Curtis,Welcome to PY,Bill C.

[johnta1]

Welcome Curtis to PY!

[cfmcnc]

Originally Posted by cboggs

THIS is a big issue,, same crap happens in my shop.
racer wants the best / fastest / latest but wants
a budget price.

it doesn't work, money is the facilitator in
these projects. It takes resources to make these
types of advancements, resources cost money.
It's they way it works,, no free lunch.

I recently had a few pro level customers who
thought I should do record setting work at
a free or near free rate! I'll put your sticker on
my car bull****.

meanwhile I have rent, electricity, employees,
Morgage, good, family etc to pay for.
Can't expect great work from someone who's
wondering how he's gonna pay the rent.

Money is the facilitator for great work !

Curtis

Yup,Back in the seventies when we were doing work for a couple top qualifying NHRA Prostocks,We had a backrunner show up telling us that the guy that was doing his work was doing it for Nothing,After we checked it all out we found that was exactly what is was worth,Nothing.Bill C.

[mike leech]

So i just wasted the time to read all the posts in this thread and wanted to point out a GLARING detail to 7t2, lemans411,johnta1, and the rest of the cvwhat swinggers.....

Jack never posted a performance goal or promise....as much as you guys hate him, you just imagined he did because you KNOW he will sort it out and go fast. He also did not start the thread. Or claim any intended goal faster than 8.50 class racing. Now I'm sure we all EXPECT big things from jack and this head as well as Gaby based on past performances. WE ARE THE ONES SETTING THOSE EXPECTATIONS. Yes its more than the cv crowd that expects big performance, though they may be the only ones hoping it fails...hopefully not but I'd bet thats the case.

"someday we are gonna beat everybody, right after we find the right customer, with lots o money, and a better intake, with turbos, and bigger inches, and regular rocker arms with ...."

I'm sure jack would entertain a match race challenge for Norwalk against a cv 1 contender...



Btw the sig...
XXXXing retards love,Rob

Made it sound like retards are attracted to you. Maybe this is true...but not worth mentioning in this forum.

[David Holmberg]

Welcome Curtis!

[johnta1]

KRE probably bought a set

I think they have the originals.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by mike leech

So i just wasted the time to read all the posts in this thread and wanted to point out a GLARING detail to 7t2, lemans411,johnta1, and the rest of the cvwhat swinggers.....

Jack never posted a performance goal or promise....as much as you guys hate him, you just imagined he did because you KNOW he will sort it out and go fast. He also did not start the thread. Or claim any intended goal faster than 8.50 class racing. Now I'm sure we all EXPECT big things from jack and this head as well as Gaby based on past performances. WE ARE THE ONES SETTING THOSE EXPECTATIONS. Yes its more than the cv crowd that expects big performance, though they may be the only ones hoping it fails...hopefully not but I'd bet thats the case.

"someday we are gonna beat everybody, right after we find the right customer, with lots o money, and a better intake, with turbos, and bigger inches, and regular rocker arms with ...."

I'm sure jack would entertain a match race challenge for Norwalk against a cv 1 contender...

Mike, A serious case of "Green Wang" Envy here by the What Boys.

Tom V.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I think they have the originals.

Visner didnt even know KRE made a head like the Warp 6 head till I told him.

I think this one will be far superior.

[cboggs]

thanks for the welcomes guys !!

Bill,, who'd you work for in the 70's?

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Heat is bad.


KRE probably bought a set

Jack,

Visner could have made you a inline version head with the valve arrangement as an FE Ford. Yes heat can be a problem, they still had issues with the 1st version Pontiac billet they did, David told me he is the other guy buying a set of the heads you are getting.

You can say it, CVPHTTFMF!!! (Canted Valve Pontiac Head To The Front MF)

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

Jack, Visner could have made you a inline version head with the valve arrangement as an FE Ford. Yes heat can be a problem, they still had issues with the 1st version Pontiac billet they did, David told me he is the other guy buying a set of the heads you are getting.

You can say it, CVPRHTTFMF!!! (Canted Valve Pontiac RACE Head To The Front MF)

I fixed it for you Calvin. (vs your CVPSHTTRMF head)

Tom V.

[cfmcnc]

Originally Posted by cboggs

thanks for the welcomes guys !!

Bill,, who'd you work for in the 70's?

Frank Iaconio & Ray Allen,Who intern had a few customers .Bill C.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

I fixed it for you Calvin. (vs your CVPSHTTRMF head)

Tom V.

Tom isnt that the very head you and Brian PRAISED till Brian couldnt get any more freebies??? Kind of a hypocritical thing to say one would think. Do I need to post the links and screen prints?

NOT ONE of us have dissed this billet head or Vizner for that matter and you come in here with bull crap like this.

YES some jabbing at Jack and some not so nice truth about someones work that didnt turn out so well(60hp net loss with an upgrade of work previously done by same person btw)... so what???

I'm sure Jack expects a little payback after tellin us for years there was nothing Pontiac about the CV's and EHTTFMF...

On the plus side some new "faces" on the Pontiac board you can try to impress and/or ride on their coat tails as you so often do. For all the folks you claim to know I still dont get how people at Ford I've met never heard of you... you might want to introduce yourself to the people that hype the eco-boost and other SC vehicles as none seem to know of you.

[ventura7211]

Nice looking head Lil Jack, hopefully all the issues with the DRCE and nitrous has been addressed, some versions of the DRCE/Big Chief suck for nitrous use.

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by cboggs

Interesting looking head,, wild what can be
done these days and how far CnC has taken us.
My hands still hurt from 37 years of grinding,,
wish we had Cnc in those days!

I'm sure if Gaby is involved it's going to be
a very serous running project!

Curtis

Welcome to the board Curtis!

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Tom isnt that the very head you and Brian PRAISED till Brian couldnt get any more freebies??? Kind of a hypocritical thing to say one would think. Do I need to post the links and screen prints?

NOT ONE of us have dissed this billet head or Vizner for that matter and you come in here with bull crap like this.

YES some jabbing at Jack and some not so nice truth about someones work that didnt turn out so well(60hp net loss with an upgrade of work previously done by same person btw)... so what???

I'm sure Jack expects a little payback after tellin us for years there was nothing Pontiac about the CV's and EHTTFMF...

On the plus side some new "faces" on the Pontiac board you can try to impress and/or ride on their coat tails as you so often do. For all the folks you claim to know I still dont get how people at Ford I've met never heard of you... you might want to introduce yourself to the people that hype the eco-boost and other SC vehicles as none seem to know of you.

Bruce I would appreciate it if you kept my name out of your mouth...This is between you and Tom. If you have a problem with me...you have my number feel free to give me a call. Thank you.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Tom isnt that the very head you and Brian PRAISED till Brian couldnt get any more freebies??? Kind of a hypocritical thing to say one would think. Do I need to post the links and screen prints?

NOT ONE of us have dissed this billet head or Vizner for that matter and you come in here with bull crap like this.

YES some jabbing at Jack and some not so nice truth about someones work that didnt turn out so well(60hp net loss with an upgrade of work previously done by same person btw)... so what???

I'm sure Jack expects a little payback after tellin us for years there was nothing Pontiac about the CV's and EHTTFMF...

On the plus side some new "faces" on the Pontiac board you can try to impress and/or ride on their coat tails as you so often do. For all the folks you claim to know I still dont get how people at Ford I've met never heard of you... you might want to introduce yourself to the people that hype the eco-boost and other SC vehicles as none seem to know of you.

Did Bill put Dick Fultons motor together?

I don't really recall me saying to much about CV1s not looking like a Pontiac, just that they wouldn't run.