[kingbuzzo]

They were selling like crazy in Gina for some reason...at least they were

[mgarblik]

Doing a quick look for some facts and figures, I found Buick without any problem. Pontiac being gone, was a little more difficult. But here are some numbers to chew on at least. Pontiac Annual sales 2006- 410,229 2007- 358,025 2008- 267,357 2009- 178,300. Pontiac had just over 2% of the US market share those 4 years. Now lets look at Buick the last 15 years after GM axed Pontiac and had the benefit of all those "Pontiac" buyers potentially flocking to the nearest Buick dealer. Buick has had an average US market share of 1.3% over the last 15 years.. Here are their sales: 2011- 177,629 2012- 194,431 2013- 205,509 2014-228,963 2015- 222,785 2016- 229,631 2017- 219,231 2018- 207,223 2019 206,926 2020 162,749 2021 182,380 2022 103,468 2023 166,852. I think it's safe to say Buick sales are flat and Buick is on life support. Buicks best year in the last 15 was 229,631 units in 2016. Pontiac's last 4 years sales were higher 3 of those 4 years and almost DOUBLE the best Buick could do in 2006.

I have no real dislike for Buick and they have had a few really cool models over the years and some good engines. The Buick Stage 1 and 2 cars and the Grand Nationals to name a few.

As a little side note Buick sales were indeed up 60% year over year in 2022 and 2023. That's because they barely sold anything in 2022. Only 103,468 units

[Sirrotica]

It's the shirt Mike, someone at GM finally read it..............

[455dan]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

Doing a quick look for some facts and figures, I found Buick without any problem. Pontiac being gone, was a little more difficult. But here are some numbers to chew on at least. Pontiac Annual sales 2006- 410,229 2007- 358,025 2008- 267,357 2009- 178,300. Pontiac had just over 2% of the US market share those 4 years. Now lets look at Buick the last 15 years after GM axed Pontiac and had the benefit of all those "Pontiac" buyers potentially flocking to the nearest Buick dealer. Buick has had an average US market share of 1.3% over the last 15 years.. Here are their sales: 2011- 177,629 2012- 194,431 2013- 205,509 2014-228,963 2015- 222,785 2016- 229,631 2017- 219,231 2018- 207,223 2019 206,926 2020 162,749 2021 182,380 2022 103,468 2023 166,852. I think it's safe to say Buick sales are flat and Buick is on life support. Buicks best year in the last 15 was 229,631 units in 2016. Pontiac's last 4 years sales were higher 3 of those 4 years and almost DOUBLE the best Buick could do in 2006.

I have no real dislike for Buick and they have had a few really cool models over the years and some good engines. The Buick Stage 1 and 2 cars and the Grand Nationals to name a few.

As a little side note Buick sales were indeed up 60% year over year in 2022 and 2023. That's because they barely sold anything in 2022. Only 103,468 units

Another note of interest,
One of Buicks biggest sellers Is the Envision and it is imported from China.

It was 19% of all 2018 Buick sales and Buick's second best seller in 2023.

If GM does bring back Pontiac, I hope they are compelling vehicles like Pontiacs were in the 60's and 70's, made in America would be preferred as well.

If it is going to be a half baked effort, It would be better to leave the Pontiac name alone rather than damaging it.

[Held for Ransom]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

Doing a quick look for some facts and figures, I found Buick without any problem. Pontiac being gone, was a little more difficult. But here are some numbers to chew on at least. Pontiac Annual sales 2006- 410,229 2007- 358,025 2008- 267,357 2009- 178,300. Pontiac had just over 2% of the US market share those 4 years.

And this was after GM started the kill off by renaming the vehicles.