[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

"pure Pontiac types" are the only types.
Its about the engine more than the car. Put a LS in her and its no longer a Pontiac. Might as well be a Chevy.
LS conversions are the worst.
Without the Strato Streak engine this site does not exist.

Doc says "Take 2 of these and call me in the morning ..."

[NeighborsComplaint]

Real world car made to be driven and can still say it's a Pontiac.

Doc says "Take 2 of these and a shot of LS and call me in the morning."

[HWYSTR455]

I agree, hang in there, nothing worth having comes easy. Everything, good or bad, is part of the journey to success & happiness.


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[tom s]

We looked into a LS conversion for a 76 TA,with all needed to do they are not that cheap.Went with a 455 and a 200R.Tom

[HWYSTR455]

Originally Posted by tom s

We looked into a LS conversion for a 76 TA,with all needed to do they are not that cheap.Went with a 455 and a 200R.Tom

I looked at it hard at one time too, and came to the same conclusion. You will get more power, and cheaper, going the traditional Pontiac power route. So I did, and proved it.

To get comparable power from the LS costs money. And don't try to sell me 'you can grab a truck LS for $xxx and do it cheap'. Seen too many failures by those taking that route.


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[tom s]

If you do most of the work yourself could be cheapers but this was a complete restomod type project.Tom

[HWYSTR455]

Many end up looking like this:

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[HWYSTR455]

Show me a turn-key performance LS engine 'kit' that includes a harness and ECU, then add all the swap parts needed too, and add it up. Even doing most of it yourself, you will quickly see it adds up to way more.

A junkyard engine is just that, junk, if you want a professional performance engine/combo.


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[PAUL K]

Fastest way to slow down a Pontiac is to put an LS in it.

[Gach]

LS power baby !!

[HWYSTR455]

MAST is kind of a baseline of reliable performance LS 'crate' power, at least a starting point for shopping.

https://www.mastmotorsports.com/coll.../crate-engines

Pick one, add up the options, tell me what you come up with. And then tell me how much power you can make with even half the money using a Pontiac build.


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[64speed]

Dont yall blaspheme in here

[kingbuzzo]

lol you guys made me spit out the coffee...keep it up haha

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Fastest way to slow down a Pontiac is to put an LS in it.

In some cases, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. For a car you can drive anywhere, every day, it's a pretty logical choice over a tempermental antique even when the antique is crutched with a throttle-body injection system. In this day and age, the fewer aftermarket parts, the better the reliability and lower probability of being stranded with no replacement part.

Don't get me wrong, I still love my old school 455 but if I were building a car to drive every day without limitations, the LS would be something I would consider.

[HWYSTR455]

I drove my stroker 461 daily, for years, about 68k miles or more, all up & down the east coast, rarely had a problem, never a serious one that left me stranded.

If people weren't cheap and did the same maintenance on their' classics as they do their' DD newer cars, there would be no question on reliability.


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[HWYSTR455]

My LeMans was a DD from 1991 when I bought it to like 2010. I personally have done over 500k+ miles on it, and thats a very conservative number.

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[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by HWYSTR455

MAST is kind of a baseline of reliable performance LS 'crate' power, at least a starting point for shopping.

https://www.mastmotorsports.com/coll.../crate-engines

Pick one, add up the options, tell me what you come up with. And then tell me how much power you can make with even half the money using a Pontiac build.


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... and for someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to build his own Pontiac, how much is a 400-500hp Pontiac crate motor going for these days?

These are RTA kits: https://butlerperformance.com/c-1459...lder-kits.html

Don't forget to add a (modest) amount for assembly and freight.

[HWYSTR455]

Thanks for proving my point. $13k is still better than $24-28k.

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[Gach]

You Ready price out Butler 800 hp pump gas Motor, he has listed on his site. For a friend… Ready $35,000.00. A 632 Shafferoff pump gas 1050 hp. $23,000.00. Which way you think he’s going.

[Gach]

Funny he said driving down the street you think anyone going to know I have BBC in it, I said yes they will because it’s going to sound like a lawnmower motor, well he said, we can line them up, and I’ll give you the leave. LOL love it