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Yikes! 74 Formula anyone??
Boy, this poor car. Where to begin. Camaro rear quarters would be a good place start I guess...
https://www.maplemotors.com/inventory/3915/info.php The video is painful, didn't watch all of it. Guy's got guts for driving it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb7MhmKwBAQ
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wow;
Since the quarters are drastically different, I"m guessing it just has the wheel arches grafted on. Sometimes I wonder if there is something in the water over on that side of the country... Here's what I think should be a legitimate question: What's the point of heater controls... (wait for it) When there's no heater!?
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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They sell some pretty rough stuff. Their prices are lower than most other dealers though. They like to turn and burn... 50-60 cars a month is quite a bit of volume for a small lot. I wonder where they get all the cars to keep up with the volume?
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Current Pontiacs - 1973 Formula SD455 - #'s auto orig paint 1972 Trans Am - 4 speed orig paint 1974 Formula 400 - Ram Air automatic 1966 2+2 convertible - 421 4bbl automatic 1967 Grand Prix - 4 speed orig paint 1967 GTO - 4 speed orig paint 35k orig miles |
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Their is a post on FB in the Pontiac Motors group and people are praising the car. I pointed out it has Camaro 1/4s early on and people are totally ignoring what i said.
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Formaro.................
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FB can be a fun way to interact/network, but it's pure crap for getting real useful information.
To me, the best part of FB/car stuff are sellers who list there - but at times, the exposure creates a frenzy, and then prices get inflated.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Hey, at least it's Pontiac powered and a 4 speed. I do see quite a few Camaro pieces to "compliment' the Camaro wheel arches.
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1976 LeMans B09 Freeway Enforcer, 455/M40 Smokey 1977 Trans Am, 400/M21 Black/Gold Bandit. 44K actual miles 2017 Sierra SLT 1500 Z71 4X4 2019 Canyon SLT Crew 4X4 Last edited by 77 Canamman; 02-23-2022 at 08:33 AM. |
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What other Camaro parts are on this car?
Overall it looks pretty rough. I would bet that 16k-17k cash and this too can be yours. It does seem priced ok for what it is though. IMO this one needs to have a tear down and complete rebuild. |
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Coolant recovery tank and radiator top plate are a couple obvious ones..
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I can say a few nice things about the car. It doesn't have hood buckle, that's a big one. It also has a tach and full factory gauges (although not working...). Lots of Formulas didn't get tach and gauges, even with 4 spds. I could never figure that one out. Some of the interior parts look to be in OK condition.
Other than that it looks like the kind of car you might see if you were visiting a less prosperous country.
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70 TA, 467 cid IAII, Edelbrock D-port heads, 9.94:1, Butler HR 236/242 @ .050, 520/540 lift, 112 LSA, Ray Klemm calibrated Q-jet, TKX (2.87 1st/.81 OD), 3.31 rear https://youtube.com/shorts/gG15nb4FWeo?feature=share Last edited by jhein; 02-23-2022 at 12:30 PM. |
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Camaro 1/4 skins look like they were tacked on over the original 1/4's..
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Current Pontiacs - 1973 Formula SD455 - #'s auto orig paint 1972 Trans Am - 4 speed orig paint 1974 Formula 400 - Ram Air automatic 1966 2+2 convertible - 421 4bbl automatic 1967 Grand Prix - 4 speed orig paint 1967 GTO - 4 speed orig paint 35k orig miles |
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Yeah, I noticed that but I see there is a hose attached to the water pump heater hose return that goes somewhere toward the radiator. Why would that be? Wouldn't you just "cap" it?
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70 TA, 467 cid IAII, Edelbrock D-port heads, 9.94:1, Butler HR 236/242 @ .050, 520/540 lift, 112 LSA, Ray Klemm calibrated Q-jet, TKX (2.87 1st/.81 OD), 3.31 rear https://youtube.com/shorts/gG15nb4FWeo?feature=share |
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When their brain gets over 20 years old, they may want a defroster, or wipers. The wheels and tires are putting a hurting on those rear leaf springs via those long shackles.
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So that means it has the "rare" 4 quarters !
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I don't agree with this.
I will digress that it's not a show car, but not many are. It was pointed out to me by another member, that its really easy to be critical of other peoples work/cars; It appears to be solid and complete. It has some pieces missing, like the bumper to valance filler - but that seems to be pretty common with 74-76 cars. I just watched the video - I must apologize, I thought "maple motors" was in eastern Canada; I find it funny that he tried to turn on the fan (because it's absent)! The tach not working isn't a big deal for a car this old - ditto on the clock. The wipers hanging up in rest is also a no big deal in my book. I am guessing that this was a 400-4spd-AC car, and that the prior owner just got rid of everything to do with the AC - pretty dumb in my book, but it should be something the next owner can fix (I'm basing this guess on the two ac vents on the dash - the two aftermarket gauges could have easily been placed inside the other AC vent holes). I agree with this one hundred percent; Again, it appears to be an otherwise complete driveable car as is; and although some might balk at this, you would be hard pressed to find as solid and otherwise presentable car at this price. It is really too bad that the bozo who did the body work used Camaro wheel opening patches; Even I knew better when I was a broke teenager - I used my original (rusted from the bottom) fender lips to patch the quarters. I can appreciate the driving video, because for a prospective buyer, it really gives a good first hand impression of what to expect with this car.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) Last edited by unruhjonny; 02-23-2022 at 02:40 PM. Reason: spelling |
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The stance is awful, but honestly if you correct that I think that car is a perfectly respectable cruiser. It just looks dorky with the 4x4 stance.
Even as is, but especially lowered a little I would bet heavily that whomever bought it would get just as much attention driving down the road as they would if it had the correct quarters. My girlfriend claims that most of Hot Rodding is just peacocking so that random old men at gas stations and stoplights talk to you. That car would succeed at that for sure.
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Can't believe the seller couldn't spend 5 minutes centering the steering wheel.
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Let the next owner do the alignment - and the savings be passed on to him (or her).
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I worked with young people for 40 years in a college bar. The last thing they care about is what old guys like me think, in fact if an old guy says something is good, they will more than likely run the other way.
Kind of like if you compliment their clothing ... they will look down at themselves in horror.
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