[Mike Davis]

This one has got a whole lot more cool factor and is just as fast. Plus its a stick car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1MlNkv8qzE

CHTTF

[richardk]

I like this one.

[Skip Fix]

The Wilhites have a couple of cool old and fast Pontiacs. I think the white on there had multi port EFI the last time I saw it.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's

You guys can say the same for people putting 200's or 700's in a Pontiac. How many here are running a Ford 9"? Christ! Its a '59 Pontiac that you never see at a track. I'm not talking about nor do a give a s hit about numbers matching "look at me" car shows. I'm talking about a "race" car.

Get out of here with that stuff ! Are we supposed to all run 12 bolts ?? The only GM rear that was better was the old Olds/Pontiac pumpkins. Can't all run them, parts are scarce.
Hey, Pontiac actually did run Ford Toploader 3 speed transmissions. Had one in a 66 Catalina station wagon, 389 and 3 on the tree. Wish I still had it.
That car with a BBC in it is lame,lame,lame.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by richardk

I like this one.

Hard to get better than that car.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

I am a very non-confrontational type person. If a car owner chooses to ruin their Pontiac by installing some other type of engine in it, that's their business and I can just ignore it. I admit it aggravates me a little when these transplanted Frankenstein builds get lots of main stream media coverage and are treated as iconic restorations when they are at best "customs". But again, I don't own the car and it's none of my business what the owner does with it. Every now and then, I get a little redemption.

Several years ago I tried my best to steer a friend away from an LS swap in a real 400 Firebird convertible. He did it anyway. Made it into a 69 TA clone with LS power. Car was OK when done. He was shunned everywhere he went with the car. Every cruise-in where the hood was open, people would walk by and lambast the engine. It sounded like an LS, not a Pontiac. Had little torque below 3000 RPM's. He took it to Norwalk and once the LS engine was discovered, he was put in some bastard class in the car show and he couldn't run the regular Pontiac drag race. After about a year and a half of this treatment, he was so distraught, he sold the car for about 20% of what he had in it. Lesson learned, I hope.

That story makes me happy.
I have been a read d!ck to guys who have done that. Popped the hood and I spit on the ground and walk off. Getting older so I don't do it as much these days. Sooner or later someone is going to want to fight.

A car like these old cars we love, it all about the engine to me. The engine is more than half the car. Gives its sound, how it drives, races all that. take that away and it is just some hollow shell of a car. A wanna be.

[gene simmons]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

There are a couple bastard cars around here. 67 bird with sbc , which no one looks at the car shows and 65 gto ls transplant. 65 was a tripower car and ruined it.

The people with the 67 sbc bird asked the Pontiac people here about going back Pontiac power but have the typical sbc Wal mart motor mentality....would like a nice running 400 for 300 bucs.

[gene simmons]

Originally Posted by Mike Davis

This one has got a whole lot more cool factor and is just as fast. Plus its a stick car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1MlNkv8qzE

CHTTF

That is a beautiful pontiac,and it doesn't have a bbc or 4 doors.

[gene simmons]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Nope, even worst if it had a LS. Those guys are Delta Bravo's. They shove one in a old car, be it Chevy or Pontiac and think they have done something. And I do not care how nice the instal was.

That's just part of the mainstream mentality.

[Half-Inch Stud]

4L80 yea!

Good going with running with the new heads. Tuning-in is a thing.

[77 TRASHCAN]

Originally Posted by richardk

I like this one.

Nice picture, Richard!!!!

Tom and Sharon raced last fall at Great Bend for the first time, ever. Sharon said she wanted to race, there, because of that reason.
Tom told me he found the 59 near Grand lake, Oklahoma. Traded the body and paint work for the 64 GTP/Lemans (?) they used to race, minus engine/trans.

The 59 has a 540 cube, tall deck IA-One in it. If I remember correctly Sharon's red 58 has like a 505 in it. Hers is carb'd (2 Holleys) the 59 has 2 of those toilet bowl injectors on it.

A lot of the Pontiac community may not know much about them. They are from Derby,, Kansas. Tom operates an automotive repair shop there, and transplants Pontiac engines into all kinds of vehicles (probably not as many to make for all the LS engines that go into old Pontiacs, though...LOL) Although they HAVE been to Norwalk. I don't know if they go every year. Tom is what I call a first gen Pontiac enthusiast (old enough to have owned a 55 new or bought a 64 GTO new...LOL).

You won't see any activity from Tom on the internet (at least from him). He's an old schooler about 2 things: an aversion to computers and to anything with diesel engines in it. His tow rig is a Dodge pickup (3-4 or 10 ton single rear wheels) with a V-10 in it.

If anyone ever see's them at a track, take the time to visit with them, they are awesome Pontiac folks!!!

[Skip Fix]

Tom also has a Bridgeport cutter to open 670 heads chambers up.

[Jack Gifford]

Do you mean eliminate the "bathtub" as Mickey Thompson did to all of his Pontiacs? No special cutter required. Anybody can do it on a mill, as I did on these '58 heads. (ignore the flowbench adaptor bolted to the head)

[Skip Fix]

Jack I think it more copied the 68 and up chambers. Tom would have to tell you for sure.

[72projectbird]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

I am a very non-confrontational type person. If a car owner chooses to ruin their Pontiac by installing some other type of engine in it, that's their business and I can just ignore it. I admit it aggravates me a little when these transplanted Frankenstein builds get lots of main stream media coverage and are treated as iconic restorations when they are at best "customs". But again, I don't own the car and it's none of my business what the owner does with it. Every now and then, I get a little redemption.

Several years ago I tried my best to steer a friend away from an LS swap in a real 400 Firebird convertible. He did it anyway. Made it into a 69 TA clone with LS power. Car was OK when done. He was shunned everywhere he went with the car. Every cruise-in where the hood was open, people would walk by and lambast the engine. It sounded like an LS, not a Pontiac. Had little torque below 3000 RPM's. He took it to Norwalk and once the LS engine was discovered, he was put in some bastard class in the car show and he couldn't run the regular Pontiac drag race. After about a year and a half of this treatment, he was so distraught, he sold the car for about 20% of what he had in it. Lesson learned, I hope.

lol

Oh no, he was "shunned" by people he doesn't know. People who have provided nothing when he was building his car were upset at the engine choice. You got a great community of car guys there.

I've never experienced anything remotely like that, nor have I seen or heard anyone getting that treatment here. Most people are interested in learning more.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by 72projectbird

lol

Oh no, he was "shunned" by people he doesn't know. People who have provided nothing when he was building his car were upset at the engine choice. You got a great community of car guys there.

I've never experienced anything remotely like that, nor have I seen or heard anyone getting that treatment here. Most people are interested in learning more.

"learning more" ?? About a LS in a old Pontiac ? Who wants to learn about that.
When I see them I laugh at the car, spit on the ground and walk off.
It ruins the car. The ENGINE is the heart of the car. makes it what it is. Without it it is a hollow shell.
When you put the enemy's engine in a Pontiac you become more like them.

[72projectbird]

You're really torn up over this, huh?

I'm extremely happy the car culture around here isn't like it is where you are. Nobody around here spits on the ground and gets their panties in a twist over someone elses car.

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

When I see them I laugh at the car, spit on the ground and walk off.

That is called ignorance

Originally Posted by Dragncar

"learning more" ?? About a LS in a old Pontiac ? Who wants to learn about that.

You obviously could stand to learn a few things.

Originally Posted by Dragncar

When you put the enemy's engine in a Pontiac you become more like them.

What do you do when you see a late 70's T/A with an Olds 403? Or a 3rd gen T/A with a GM 305 or 350? Or how about a Turbo T/A with a Buick V6? Do you "spit on the ground" then? Do you consider those to be "the enemy" or do you pick up your panties and "walk off"?

You are obviously not a car guy nor a drag racer. Just a narrow minded poser.

[242177P]

Originally Posted by 72projectbird

I've never experienced anything remotely like that, nor have I seen or heard anyone getting that treatment here. Most people are interested in learning more.

Most people? I'm not buying that.

71 TransAm. 455HO.
71 TransAm. 5.3 Vortec

[Old Goat Racer]

Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's

Always thought this was cool.

At least the 59 4-door Cat hasn't been crushed yet, has it ?
I'm just wonder'in which good ole boy holds the beeeer ?