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Race classification
Just wondering if any of you young folks from the early 60s era would remember what class a 1962 Pontiac 389 would have been slotted in.
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Carb ? Would play a factor.
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They had HP from the high 200s to the 368HP 389 SD.Tom
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But, in doing a little research on the question you asked, the only drag info I found for '62 Cat was all about the 421SD powered cars. Don Gay won the A/S class at the '63 US Nats & the '64 Winter Nats, with his '62 421SD Cat. http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-...na-super-duty/ So, back then, a 389 Cat would have ran a lower class than A/S. But, as others have mentioned, there were several different 389 engine options for the '62 Cat. The CRI site lists about 9 different 389's, which NHRA recognizes, for the '62 Pontiacs. So, a '62 Cat could have run in any one of several classes, depending on it's engine/trans combo. http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSelection.aspx Thru the years, NHRA classification methods have changed. Today, there is only one '62 Cat, that I'm aware of, in competition. It belongs to a member here, Norman Warling. It has the 3-deuce 389 engine. For most cars, NHRA will allow you to add or remove weight to run a class above or below the class which the car would naturally fall into. I have pics of Norman's Cat, with both L/SA & M/SA class letters on it. I assume that, back in the mid '60's, this engine combo would have run a much higher class. So, I'm just curious to know exactly why you are interested in this '62 389 Cat info. If you really wanna pursue this early '60's info, you might wanna try to contact Norman Warling, or Bob Michael. Bob is a long time Pontiac racer, who recently built a '62 GP, with the 3-deuce 389 engine. In the pic of it below, it's running K/SA. Maybe one or both of these guys can help you find the exact info you want. Another very good source of old drag racing info is the Class Racer forum. Lots of guys post there, who were around racing, back in the early & mid 60's. http://classracer.com/classforum/forumdisplay.php?f=3 Last edited by ponyakr; 05-15-2018 at 08:16 AM. |
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WOW, Did'nt realize I would open up a box of snakes and spiders. As for why, just wondering about back in the day. I have a 1962 Grand Prix 389 tri power posi 4 speed 318 hp. All the info is very helpful.
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Around 1965 till at least 1971 a local garage ran two 62 Pontiacs. 1 was a 2dr hardtop the other a 4 door sedan . The 2dr ran M/SA and the other ran O/S. The O car was actually the faster of two.
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If I recall my Dads 390 2 barrel Ford ran in L or M automatic (I won a couple of trophys with it) and my 74 GTO ran K automatic! That was before Bracket Racing really took off. Actually Detroit Dragway had one of the FIRST Bracket racing classes back in the late 60's and early 70's for cars that didn't want to run class racing! Cars would enter and put a dial in on there windows!
GTO George |
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Jim
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Our local track ran Stockers off track records, in '73-'74. Ran off the NHRA index system, in '75. Then in '76, bracket racing took over at all our area tracks.
In '77, our local track participated in the NHRA div 4 bracket finals race, held at the old Green Valley Race City track, in the DFW area. We took 2 Pontiacs there in '77 & '78. The track operated from 1960-1986. So, there were probably quite a few Pontiacs that raced there, including some 389 Cats. Below is a pic of a Funny Car, with the covered grandstands in the background. The 2nd pic is TJ's bracket Bird, in '77, with those same covered grandstands in the background. She got a little ink in the Nov '77 HR mag from being at this race. |
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There were some lower class Pontiacs that did well. Ramon Lowe ran I believe ran a 62 GP did well. Tom S may weigh in on that. Fred Davisson had 61 I think 303 hp that won I stock in 61 at Winternationals.
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Unlike some people's foggy memory (myself included), I go by the rule books. Which I so happen to have. Classes were based on shipping weight divided by advertised horsepower. You did not state what your car weighs as a stick so I cannot give you the exact class. When you calculate the number post it up and I can tell you the exact "stock" class.
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Lloyd and Carol Cox were a couple that raced 60s Pontiac,she drove the auto classes.For some reason I think Lowe did also.Tyrees 62 was a A stock SD car and my 63 Lemans was A/MP when he drove it.Tom
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In 1970 AHRA classified cars based on shipping weight divided by cubic inches, carburetion, and transmission type.
Your car would fall into the "Formula 1 stock" class. Multiple carburetion. Showroom Stock would put your car in J/S
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3 Generations of "Beach Boys Racing" ! Everybody knows somthin. Nobody knows everything ! 1st time on a dragstrip, 1964. Flagstart ! "Thanks for the entertainment." "Real Indians Don't Wear Bowties" Last edited by Old Goat Racer; 05-16-2018 at 11:35 AM. |
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How can it be J/SA with a stick? "A" is for Automatic.
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TYPO. Fixed it !
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3 Generations of "Beach Boys Racing" ! Everybody knows somthin. Nobody knows everything ! 1st time on a dragstrip, 1964. Flagstart ! "Thanks for the entertainment." "Real Indians Don't Wear Bowties" |
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National Dragster Collection ?
Anybody here have, or know someone who has a collection of old National Dragster papers, from the '60's & '70's ?
Looks like ND started in 1960. http://gainesvilleraceway.com/apcm/A...4708&print=yes https://books.google.com/books?id=sY...agster&f=false I had quite a few from the mid to late '70's, back when we were NHRA members & had div 4 permanent numbers. I assume that I threw 'em all away, along with the rule books, thinking I'd never care about anything in them again. Sure wish I'da kept all that stuff. I think the national records were posted in some issues. Don't know if the driver name & car brand was listed or not. These old ND's might be a very good source of drag racing info, from that time period. Last edited by ponyakr; 05-16-2018 at 08:21 PM. |
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Cool Videos
There are some neat online videos from the old days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyU-M0Pw51o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3GnHSdyVvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYBvpMLpPPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79br00IHXVc Last edited by ponyakr; 05-16-2018 at 09:23 PM. |
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Good info about NHRA at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...od_Association And similiar about the American Hot Rod Association at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...od_Association Jim Hand |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4kkp1AU3rE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztEehFmwPA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yk-CE_wZBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnJ188I4XnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtcwkwYeSZ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQS4fRr_Z7M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GnUjC8sqU4 Last edited by ponyakr; 05-16-2018 at 10:26 PM. |
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