[Judge273]

Amazing history and restoration at MCACN.

Not my picture...Doug took nice pix


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[OCMDGTO]

Awesome car, would love to hear more about it.

[Judge273]

Interesting read...http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...72#post2268472

[keith k]

I spent some time checking that one out, too.
The story seems believable enough.... definitely a cool car.
Stuff like this is why I love going to that show-

[brians]

Thought Gary (musclecollector) owned that car.
Did he sell it or restore it?

(Or is this a completely different car?)

[muscle_collector]

I did some trading and did get rid of it to john maurano in Canada.

[dci]

This is an awesome piece of Pontiac history and glad to see it get restored. I actually hooked Gary and John up on this deal and was hoping I would get the restoration contract, but didn't unfortunately. I did however build the RA5 engine that's in the car for John. The engine made 530 HP on pump gas with stock un ported RA5 heads. Gary has more details on this car, but I believe it's the sister or brother however you want to look at it to the Tin Indian blue and white car. Very rare and cool !!!!

[brians]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

I did some trading and did get rid of it to john maurano in Canada.

Did not know that.

Of all your cars, that would have been the one I would have made you an offer on.

[Judge273]

What's the thoughts on leaving the engine black?

Restored as it would be from the crate is what I was told...

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by brians

Did not know that.

Of all your cars, that would have been the one I would have made you an offer on.

one of those deals, right money/trade at the right time so I jumped on it. BUUUT seeing it and my ra4 convert made me have a really bad case of sellers remorse this weekend.

[The Boss]

You looked pretty happy in it - sorry the picture is so poor.

[brians]

That is a beautiful car.

Does any pictures exist of when Knafel owned it?

[rick c]

I believe I saw this car at the GTOAA national convention last summer in Springfield Illinois. It was parked in the convention floor of the hotel in the back of the room. It is a beauty!

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by brians

That is a beautiful car.

Does any pictures exist of when Knafel owned it?

bill told me the car was lettered up when they had it. had the typical two tone paint of knafels other cars. silver and red. but when they sold it they stripped it and painted it back like a regular judge but left the spoiler black. there was evidence of the red paint in several areas. he said his son has all the pics of it, but I never could get john to even look for it. he was always too concerned about me restoring it and putting their name on it. kept telling me I couldn't do it without their permission, which turned out to be true since they took it all off prior to selling it. I had searched the internet for many hours and hours looking for a picture of it and never found anything.

[starlightblack]

Originally Posted by The Boss

You looked pretty happy in it - sorry the picture is so poor.

A little better

[Judge273]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

bill told me the car was lettered up when they had it. had the typical two tone paint of knafels other cars. silver and red. but when they sold it they stripped it and painted it back like a regular judge but left the spoiler black. there was evidence of the red paint in several areas. he said his son has all the pics of it, but I never could get john to even look for it. he was always too concerned about me restoring it and putting their name on it. kept telling me I couldn't do it without their permission, which turned out to be true since they took it all off prior to selling it. I had searched the internet for many hours and hours looking for a picture of it and never found anything.

Was it painted and lettered like the Tin Indian?

If so that would have been stunning, and surprised no one took a picture?

[muscle_collector]

its possible, he said it had red around the back coming down the sides and said knafel Pontiac on the sides. I found red paint on the bottom of the rockers, doors, trunk jams etc...

[johnta1]

Was this a pic when you had it?

[brians]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

bill told me the car was lettered up when they had it. had the typical two tone paint of knafels other cars. silver and red. but when they sold it they stripped it and painted it back like a regular judge but left the spoiler black. there was evidence of the red paint in several areas. he said his son has all the pics of it, but I never could get john to even look for it. he was always too concerned about me restoring it and putting their name on it. kept telling me I couldn't do it without their permission, which turned out to be true since they took it all off prior to selling it. I had searched the internet for many hours and hours looking for a picture of it and never found anything.

That is basically what he told me when I asked about the 68 GTO years ago.
They had all the vins and documentation to all the cars and someday they may look for it.

He also told me that unless the cars were sold as a race car, they pulled the race motors, painted the cars and sold them.

[muscle_collector]

yes on the pic and that is exactly what bill told me what they did to several cars that they raced. I cant remember the details, but I think I remember hearing that john went after merle on his 66 tin indian but lost because they had sold it with it being lettered up and not repainted.