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#62 heads in 1968?
Anyone know for certain if #62 heads were available in 1968 GTO's? I see one place were it shows 62's for 1968 but no were else can I find any info on this. I always thought 16's were the only D port 4 barrel head in 1968 but someone is telling me they were on auto A/C cars due to the slightly lower compression compared to the 16 heads. I know that to be true for '69 but not '68.
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All of my experience says 62's only in 1969.
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Also #31 D-port 4-barrel heads were used in 1968.
#62 heads in 1968 vehicles has yet to be documented. |
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Also 31's are Ram Air I only.
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The issue that causes people to believe available for 1968 is the casting date. We all know that production of the next year began in early August, which means that heads were cast in July of 1968. Just because it was "born" in 1968 does not make it correct for a 1968 model year car.
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I will say for certain they were NOT available in 68. 16 heads were not available in 69 either!
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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Any comments on this:
(from Pontiac )
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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Bad info. I have had a standing offer of 1000.00 cash for either a 68 model year #62 head or a 69 model year #16. This goes back 25 years. They don't exist. The original source of this bad info seams to be the factory MPC. Now the most cited source is Wallace Racing! Lol
I own, have owned, restored, parted out or inspected hundreds of 68-69's... as the 68/69 POCI tech advisor and a GTOAA Concours Judge, I have had access to thousands more. My money is safe.
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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According to that paper, every WT and YS GTO engine got 62's! Lol
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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My buddy John Schloe runs #16 heads on his stocker 69 firebird. According to NHRA they are correct.
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They only go by what the factory gives them... the factory is the source of the wrong information in this case. Bad info just keeps getting repeated over and over, by those who haven't researched it.
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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Everyone who has researched this has the same conclusion, this is nothing new, guys like you and I have been into this subject for 30 plus years, we know what the truth is. My 1000.00 offer has never been even challenged, let alone claimed.
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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Paul, as long as it has the 400-4v sticker it's good to go!
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1969 GTO 4spd. Antique Gold/black, gold int. 1969 GTO RAIII 4spd. Verdoro Green/black, black int. 1969 GTO 4spd. Crystal Turquoise, black int. 1970 GTO 4spd VOE Pepper Green, green int. 1967 LeMans 428 Auto. Blue, black int. |
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Only 30 years?
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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16 is 68 period, 62 is 69 period as far as base type big valve 400 4 barrel engines go GTO , Firebird and GP
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Hey...
I beg to differ! Got excited when I saw a '69 Catalina station wagon with a 400/2-barrel with '69 date-coded 16s in a junk yard. Come to find out...the '69 dated heads were small valve and pressed-in stud units...but 16s none the less. What a let-down. BTW...the year we won First Place Restored (1986)...the GTOAA Judges insisted my '62"s were incorrect and that my '69 GTO should have "16"s to be correct. The matter was resolved pretty quickly.
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"I have been into this issue for over 30 years". I bought my 68 GTO in 1984, I immediately started researching the history of these cars and looking for a correct motor for my car. I found conflicting info about what heads my car should have. I kept reading #62's were correct, but couldn't find a single #62 head with a 68 model year date code. Every original 68 I could find had #16's, and the date codes matched the cars. This was in the late eighties... so, yeah, I've been researching this for about 30 years!
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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The 70 model year 16's were the small valve versions, cast starting in August of 69.
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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NHRA also lets a 428 in a bird!Tom
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