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Old 12-24-2014, 08:58 AM
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If you have an 8.50 chassis tag, a set of 370+ HP's, .750 lift cam and a 535 can get you close at about #3000. Easy on springs too. I ran 8.69 @ 159 with very little tuning, chassis or motor. I told SD Dave that I wanted to run 8.80's all day long in the heat and not change springs every year. It runs mid 8.70's to low 8.80's most anywhere. Here's my cam card, to give you an idea.
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Old 12-24-2014, 10:38 AM
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Why not lay down some criteria first for what the so called BEST is first, are we only going to consider the fastest et and mph per engine cid and car weight?
Agree, what is the criteria to judge by?

Think I'd be looking for someone familiar with the "real estate" though not mandatory if you have the right guy. IMO Its more important that whomever I chose is able to meet the requirements of my build goal.

Generic port that covers a broader range of application or port that best meets the specific build requirement?

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Not trying to start a battle or debate, just trying to be pointed in the right direction of the person known to be the most knowledgeable with these heads, it can be hand porting or CNC program?

Thanks in advance and Happy Holidays to all.....
Some of you might want to re-read the original post.

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Especially when some don't even have a HP head and 'giving' advice.


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Old 12-24-2014, 12:42 PM
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2 people in this thread have/run HP heads.
To the op, just do your research, set your goals, see who is running what you want to run or making the hp you want then find out who did their heads.


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Old 12-24-2014, 12:50 PM
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Hill Performance has done some real nice flowing KRE HP, trend is @ PY.

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Old 12-24-2014, 12:52 PM
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You know anyone with that engine?
Where did KRE's HP engines qualify in Tom's race at Norwalk?
I have that engine in my car...mine is the original one they advertised @ 1030hp with just the cast Wenzler quad intake. Jeff told me it would go 1075hp with a sheetmetal intake. The motor makes steam. Just everything else in my car needs tweaking. Converter, suspension, ........

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Stated- "Think I'd be looking for someone familiar with the "real estate" though not mandatory if you have the right guy."

Agreed, not always mandatory. Nine years ago I bought a very early set of High Port castings and we had a fellow named Rick McConathy do the port work. Rick was well known for his Chevy cylinder heads and was associated with Naiser Racing Components in Houston, Texas at the time. I believe now his business is Slick Rick Racing Heads. These guys were well known and very competitive in Texas Pro Stock Racing circles.

On the first go around the heads were 403 cfm at 0.800" lift, later with additional work 412 at 0.850" on Jeff Naisers flow bench. On my engine builders bench they went 417 cfm at 0.850" lift. Later with these cylinder heads our 930 hp 526 cid Pontiac engine was pretty good stuff, today it's no big deal. Same with the heads.


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FWIW Dan Barton is at Naiser now doing their heads now.

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Not trying to start a battle or debate, just trying to be pointed in the right direction of the person known to be the most knowledgeable with these heads, it can be hand porting or CNC program?

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2 people in this thread have/run HP heads.
To the op, just do your research, set your goals, see who is running what you want to run or making the hp you want then find out who did their heads.
I guess dynos don't count?

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Come on man. Where are you at NA? Or on the juice? Your engine has been on the pump. Where are you at in the "truth" position? KRE offers off the shelf a 1075 hp NA engine with cast High Ports and a cast manifold. You and Gaby must have delivered more with the billet head, DRCE, bad arse, best of the best, canted valve racing engine. Since you know, you must have delivered significantly more power. Where's it at man? Dyno sheet please.

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Especially when some don't even have a HP head and 'giving' advice.

you not having a mr1 never stopped you from shameless plugs and giving advise.....just sayin.

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I have that engine in my car...mine is the original one they advertised @ 1030hp with just the cast Wenzler quad intake. Jeff told me it would go 1075hp with a sheetmetal intake. The motor makes steam. Just everything else in my car needs tweaking. Converter, suspension, ........
et and weight on your ride?

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Come on man. Where are you at NA? Or on the juice? Your engine has been on the pump. Where are you at in the "truth" position? KRE offers off the shelf a 1075 hp NA engine with cast High Ports and a cast manifold. You and Gaby must have delivered more with the billet head, DRCE, bad arse, best of the best, canted valve racing engine. Since you know, you must have delivered significantly more power. Where's it at man? Dyno sheet please.
All i have to say about KRE's 1075hp is LMFAO! Just because a piece of paper says it makes 1075 doesn't make it true.

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you not having a mr1 never stopped you from shameless plugs and giving advise.....just sayin.


Think you know everything I guess?

FYI, there's a MR-1 block and a HP heads in my dragster out in the garage.


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Think you know everything I guess?

FYI, there's a MR-1 block and a HP heads in my dragster out in the garage.

oh my god...Did you finally "EARN" your block?

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Best porter for what application? There are to many variables in this. If you wanted every last bit they could possibly give you the bill will be huge. Not to mention the valvetrain expense (like previously mentioned) it would require to make power with them. Everyone has a budget (some larger than others) that they have to stay within. Its not that hard to figure out how much airflow you need to make X horsepower at X cubic inches. You may not need as much flow as you think.

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Best porter for what application? There are to many variables in this. If you wanted every last bit they could possibly give you the bill will be huge. Not to mention the valvetrain expense (like previously mentioned) it would require to make power with them. Everyone has a budget (some larger than others) that they have to stay within. Its not that hard to figure out how much airflow you need to make X horsepower at X cubic inches. You may not need as much flow as you think.
Forgive me for being a bit vague, but I grudge race my car and don't go into great details with it on public forums, but in its current configuration it's a Stock block with a standard degree head, cast intake, one carb on motor! But I feel it's time to step this program up, because the stock block can't take much more of this, and I'll need more head to support the next short Block! Just wanted to know who has dedicated the most time successfully with this particular casting, I have a goal in mind, and would discuss that with the porter in question.

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Hill Performance has done some real nice flowing KRE HP, trend is @ PY.
I was following his progress, but I have not heard any updates for quite some time, I even bumped his topic up a couple of times for further feed back.....

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