[fasterfiero]

roughly

6" diameter

2" overall depth

1 3/4" mounting flange to edge of pulley

mounting flange is .25 thick dual bolt pattern and the bore ( .625 )seems tight on the first
water pump I tried it on, the shaft on the pump is pretty crusty....

[jimmo]

Cool, thanks for the info. What car are you modifying?

[Ollie]

Originally Posted by jimmo

Cool, thanks for the info. What car are you modifying?

Post 281.
He has a 68 GTO

[fasterfiero]

1967 gto wanna-b

400 engine, I saw this thread a long time ago and have been collecting parts for the build.
I have not had a chance to mock up the pulleys. I think that it will be do-able without too much work. The trick seems to be the crank pulley and the water pump pulley need to be close the rest can be moved easily.

[1968 GTO Resto-Mod]

flowkooler waterpump #1622 showed up yesterday.
i bolted it up with gaskets in place and the mounting surface of flange sits 3/8" ahead of crank pulley front edge.
alright- so i'll try to focus on lining out the water pump pulley next... thanks jimmo.
it's so cool that so many people are thinking about this mod.
you guys are awesome.
danny

[Ollie]

Resto-Mod

Now measure from the front of the water pump flange back to the crank shaft pulley.

[1968 GTO Resto-Mod]

this is a different angle of the same photo posted previously.
after measuring i had to put the caliper down to take the photo with my right hand.
i put this offset from front edge of crank pulley to front of water pump flange at 3/8"
am i missing something here?
all thoughts are appreciated,
danny

[jimmo]

I might be jumpin the gun here but I think its looking really good. The crown vic WP pulley should fall right in place or at least close enough to be shimmed into place. That f350 crank pulley solved the issue of your waterpump being 1/2" short. That was one lucky find.
Looks real good so far.

[Ollie]

Measure from the front of the WP pulley mount flange to the back of the crank pulley.
That will tell you how deep the WP pulley needs to be, measured inside.

[1968 GTO Resto-Mod]

Originally Posted by jimmo

Some toyotas use a key way. I have no idea what bore size they are though. If your heart is set on using that pump I am sure we can collectively figure out how to use it.
The price for this one from jegs really isnt too bad but judging just from the photo it appears you would have to move the power steering pump forward quite a bit for it to line up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-Perfor...2d8dde&vxp=mtr
Another option would be a pulley like this http://www.dormanproducts.com/gsearc...word&q=300-009 mated to a custom made hub with a 5/8 keyed bore. This would probably be more expensive than the march pulley but the hub can be made to space the pulley EXACTLY where you need it to line up.
With all that said, I wouldnt worry about the PS just yet. Your next mission should be to find the water pump pulley to line up as closely as possible to your crank pulley. Serpentine water pump pulleys that drive in a clockwise rotation are VERY LIMITED. Most manufacturers drive them counterclockwise and they ride on the smooth backside of the belt. They have no grooves and are useless for this application. If I remember correctly I only found 3 candidates in the scrapyard..The crown vic, the taurus(plastic composite) and the bronco(offset was way different).
Once you do some light shimming to line up your crank and waterpump, your other accessories will need to line up with them. The crank and waterpump pretty much dictate where the belt will ride because they arent nearly as adjustable as all the other accessories can be with spacers and brackets.
sorry the post was so long, hope this helps.

jimmo,
the power steering pump pulley you've linked to in post #318 is described by the seller as being a 5-groove pulley.

i placed an order for the water pump pulley fasterfiero linked to in post #319 and as far as i can tell from the pictures attached to post #321 this pulley has 6 grooves.

the cs144 pulley that i ordered for the alternator also has 6 grooves.

my assumption is that a 5 groove power steering pulley would be incompatible with the others which have 6 grooves, but i wanted to run it by you just to be thorough.
what do you think?
thanks for your help!
danny

[Ollie]

6 Grove is what you want to use .

[jimmo]

Wow good call, sorry bout that. I was so focused on the key way I didnt notice it only had 5 grooves.
I was hoping you would have been able to find a crown vic pulley. It would have required less shimming but the one you ordered should be fine. If I am right, it wil need roughly 3/16" shimming at the waterpump where as the other one would have required roughly .040" at the crank pulley.

[1968 GTO Resto-Mod]

i spent all weekend searching the salvage yards around here and found no crown vics anywhere.
i also looked at a lot of other water pump pulleys and i only really found what you expected- counterclockwise rotating pulleys.
i'll be happy if the chevy water pump pulley works out. and if not, well, i guess i'll keep my eyes open for an old crown victoria...
this is such a cool project!
thanks for your help!!!
danny

[Ollie]

The Crown Vic pulley is stamped EOVE 8509A7A

[fasterfiero]

For what its worth..........

post 319

The doorman 300-008 is the one I bought. I plan on cutting a key way in the hub. This is a steel hub and synthetic pulley........

[Ollie]

fasterfiero,
Me too, what is the off set measured inside and 5 or 6 rib.
Never mind I see you posted the measurements in post 321.
Is that a 7 rib, if so there is some flexibility for alignment.
E-bay seller, CVFRacing offers a Pontiac serpentine belt system. It is custom 8 rib pulleys.

[kencar62]

Originally Posted by Ollie

The Crown Vic pulley is stamped EOVE 8509A7A

Went to the local Pick-N-Pull and lucked out today. Found the 7.3L Diesel Crank Pulley on a '95 F-250 (1816348C1) and a '85 Crown Vic Water Pump pulley (EOVE 8509A7A). I saw several other potential candidates with 6-rib water pump pulleys, but that big fan hanging off the front was an issue. How does that fan come off? It appeared to be threaded to the water pump shaft and has very large hex. A 1" wrench was no where near large enough to fit the hex. I did see plenty of smooth pulleys for the counter-rotation water pump though.

I saw a variety of Ford P/S pulleys (press-on). Didn't have a tape with me to measure, but with the variety I saw, it appears one of them might work.

Like several others here, I'm collecting parts so I can do the swap on one or both of my projects...'73 Firebird & '65 Tempest. The Tempest has the 350 from the Firebird w/'69 #46 heads and the Firebird has a '74 vintage stroked 400 w/'71 #96 heads.

-Ken

[jimmo]

I saw several other potential candidates with 6-rib water pump pulleys, but that big fan hanging off the front was an issue. How does that fan come off? It appeared to be threaded to the water pump shaft and has very large hex. [/QUOTE]

What models of other cars were they that had the ribbed water pump pulley??? Next time I go Ill be sure to check them out. I also was at the junkyard today I discovered one more.... a 98 mazda b series pick-up. It has a nice little aluminum pulley on the water pump. They are not nearly as popular as the crown vic but the diameter is smaller for those that would like some extra rpms on the waterpump. It is NOT the same offset and does require some shim work however. Scored lots of good stuff. Gonna start setting up the machines again.

[jimmo]

Oh, for those of you not familiar with fords...the lincoln town car has the 5.0 with the same waterpump pulley also. scored a few of them from lincolns today. All were mid to late 80s, the big square boxy body style.

[kencar62]

What models of other cars were they that had the ribbed water pump pulley??? Next time I go I'll be sure to check them out.

Newer model Crown Vics / Grand Marquis / Town Cars...possibly others. I was walking the rows of Fords and if I saw a car that might be a potential donor, I looked to see if it had a ribbed pulley. Some had reverse rotation pumps, but there were several that had ribbed pulleys. The mounting bolts are smaller, which required a 10mm wrench vs. the recommended pulley (EOVE 8509A7A), which required a 7/16" wrench to remove the bolts.