[NBF823]

I recently developed a strange fascination with the M14/M1A(Semi auto, .308). Man would I love to have one.

It wouldn't be an ideal weapon for where I live. An MP5 or Benelli M3 would be much more useful on some of the street thugs/addicts that would be prone to doing somthing stupid. But, so far the police and the military are doing what I paid taxes for, they're running on a buget and man power I can't even remotely match. And the weapon assults and B&E crimes have been minimal around here.

If the crime rate goes up, I'll be shopping. But as of yet, I haven't had to do that yet.

For the most part, I'm going to get more use, and more fun out of car parts. I think the next $1500 I have to spend on fun stuff is going to go for CM chassis tubing over a M1A. I think I'm going bank on the statistics that I'll more likely be killed in a car crash as opposed to gun fight.

I did go to Cabelas today. I always wanted to see the place and it was really cool. I did window shop, but didn't buy.

[JUDGNOT]

The 50 cal is a real game changer. You wanna step up your Don't F with me status, go get you a Barrett.

[p4msi1]

NBF, I have an M1A and much prefer my AK47. M1A is big, heavy and clunky but I still like it. I have enough property to have a 400 yard shooting range and we shoot often. I can't express enough to all you guys to shoot you guns and know them. Shoot them at different times of day. The AK is much more accurate than the SKS after 100 yards but inside of 100 yards the SKS is effective. The AK will consistantly ring a man size target at 300 yards with the factory iron sights and bulk ammo. No props, stand up and shoot like a man. So guys you don't need scopes on these two weapons!!! In my opinion anyway

Steve

[Cliff R]

I have two SKS's, two AK-47's, and an AR-15. All of them shoot better than the guy holding them from the standing position.

From a bench rest the AR-15 is hands down the winner in putting all shots at 100 yards into a 1" group.

At 300 yards, any of them are well on a man sized target if the shooter does his job. Both my SKS and AK's are the better versions with chrome lined chambers, barrels and gas piston parts.

Do NOT assume your SKS or AK is dead solid reliable, as many are NOT chrome lined anyplace.

They require maintenence after every outing, if you want to make sure they go "bang" the next time you use them.

If I had to take only one with me into the field to defend myself, and keep my belly full, I'd take the AR-15. It weighs in with a full 20 round magazine at 7lb 2oz. It has superior sights, ammo is a lot lighter, and deadly accurate.

If you were dropping me off in Southeast Asia someplace in the middle of a rain forest, I'd take my AK instead!......Cliff

[p4msi1]

Cliff, chrome bore and other components are chromed for corrosive ammo use. When buying some ammo (7.62 x 39 as an example) it will state on the box corrosive or Non-corrosive. Chroming allows corrosive ammo to be used without corroding the barrel and associated components. You are right, you should clean your gun but chroming has nothing to do with being reliable. I never saw an SKS without a chrome bore. Even so everything being equal and clean both will be reliable, it is inherit by design. Also, I don't even waste my time bench resting these types of rifles. Mine are shot and treated the same way they might get used. I try to buy the same mfg. of ammo, as different ammo will vary and consequently affect the zero. Yes, the AR15 and variants are more accurate but adding the human element of imperfection they are all combat accurate. My personal choice for civil unrest (God forbid)AK 47. Also, when I stated to "stand up and shoot like a man" I meant to fully support the rifle by ones self only with on other supports as this forces more mental concentration and muscle control. At least for me it does.

Steve

[p4msi1]

Jugnot, I wish I had a Barret 50, but did you check out the price of ammo. It would be a gun that I zero in at 300 yards then put it away.

Steve

[ultraman]

my father had a 300 weatherby it was suposedly good foor 1000 yards,i have a pleathora of smaller guns and ammo.I would like a ma deuce or a mimigun but i probably will never see that.I wouldnt mind having one of those turret guns that protect aircraft carriers(lol)

[milly]

We're kinda preparing for "the end". We have several thousand rounds of ammunition, and try to buy a box or two every week. We buy up and store canned goods whenever they are on sale at the grocery store. We've been buying our meat in bulk from a local butcher so we have plenty on hand at any time. Shelter shouldn't be a problem since we own our home, but if it came to it, we could hold up at my parents place in the country for a while.

[INJUNTOM]

Yeah, I've worked on bolstering my arsenal the last few years as well. I feel that there's a very real chance of a civil war, race war, or something similar in this country in the next 10 to 20 years judging by the way things are going, and in my area they are laying off law enforcement and getting ready to let tons of cons out of prison without any sort of parole supervision.

Home invasions are on the rise everywhere. Perps are brave AND stupid. Bad combination.

[Cliff R]

Steve, as a general rule, do NOT trust any of the imported 7.62 X 39 ammo to be safe to shoot in any SKS, AK or variants of those rifles, at least from a standpoint of not having to clean them afterwards.

We've seen all sorts of problems associated with much of the cheap offshore stuff, from hard to ignite primers, to dirtly power, to corrosive tendencies, even when the boxes or cases were marked "non-corrosive".

Many of the recent imported rifles (SKS's and AK's) aren't chrome lined anyplace, and even older versions with a chromed piston had it running in a non-chromed piston bore. Most SKS's that weren't maintained will have the piston sticking or seized in the bore from rust and unburnt powder build-up between those parts.

Bottom line, any weapon that you are going to count on to be dead solid reliable for you at all times should be thoroughly cleaned and lubricated after using it.

One distinct advantage the AK's have over the AR platform weapons, is simplicity. We used to call them "peasant proof" when I was on active duty. They just continue to function in conditions were most stuff would have stopped working long ago.

As far as accuracy, some of those guns would really surprise you as to how good a group they can print at long distances with a skilled marksman using them.

Even so, with all weapons that I've seen to date, the accuracy of them falls WAY off when the target is shooting back at you!.......Cliff

[PonchoV8]

(1) Some people say all fiat currencies fail. Gold has been money for over 4000 yrs hasn't it? It still is. Fiat currency is what's worthless in the end (US dollars, Euros, etc.). Federal Reserve Notes are backed by nothing but the American taxpayer's ability to make them good. When our Dollar is a debt instrument, it's a Ponzi scheme until you can no longer pay the interest on the borrowed debt. There's no way around that without someone taking it in the shorts.
Dave Ramsey is an idiot. Let him get you out of debt. He's an investment idiot though.

(2) Remember in Jan 2011 Obama saying he wanted US exports doubled in 2 yrs? You do that most easily by weakening your Dollar so foreign nations grab your stuff on the cheap. You also drive your debt rating down with inflating your currency (money printing) so your debtors sell off your debt for cheap money (and you can print/buy it back cheaply avoiding paying as much to them if your money was better).

Q: So, is it (2) good tactical financial planning or (1) your cash is just trash because it's a Ponzi scheme? Find a graph of your debt since 1970. Look at your GDP along with it.
A: Your currency is screwed.

Look for a loss of internet connectivity and a national emergency as possible distractions for the end of your current "money". Silver followed gold at a 15:1 or 16:1 ratio in the 1980s. Where is it supposed to be at 2500 gold (that's where gold is supposed to go according to a large number polled recently--economists). James Dines called the 2008 financial bust 30 yrs ago--he called the exact yr 30 yrs ago and it's in his book copywrited in the 70s. He says gold to 5000 in the next several yrs. Marc Faber says 100% chance of hyperinflation in America. They both say have some precious metals. Me? I'm still buying collectibles that will be worth about 1/10th of current value if/when the crash comes because I have no chance of surviving that collapse without God's help. I know my limitations.

[PonchoV8]

Originally Posted by mviker

I would like to think that if things ever did get out of hand, that our military would not turn on it's own people regardless of who is in power. On the other hand, if things go south, the direction is pretty much already known (socialism). If that's the case, I can imagine some outside 'peace-keeping force' getting sent in. THAT would be cause for concern. Major concern since it would most likely be those that didn't like the US in the first place.

You won't have to worry about our military except in very specific locations. More often it's the local police personnel you have to contend with--well, also some of the Guard. It's the ignorance of your rights by some of these individuals, the corruption of their values/morals and since they live in your area, they want to maintain their existance (as well as their family's) so they will take from you. If they don't, it's because you paid them off.

Yeah, I expect a holster sniffer or an apologist to respond negatively to this post. But if it gets to where your country is completely broken, don't expect to hole up in your house and protect it with your rifle. Would that work in northeast Japan with a cloud overhead? Would you want to stay in a contaminated area to 'fight the system'? Could you believe the disinformation they're feeding you in those events? Prepare your mind for all situations or be paralized when one happens that you didn't think about. DON'T expect you'll be staying at home to develop a plan to take your government back. You have zero chance of doing that. They'll just dump something in the water and wait until the flies are done gorging.
I don't know why, but I've chosen not to deal with it much at all. I couldn't carry all the stuff people prepare with if I had to leave. Then what? Travel and you come to check points manned by police depts. No more guns/ammo. Then what? Get in that line over there. Heading to the mountains? It's going to be crowded there. Lots of people with itchy trigger fingers. Lots of exposure to the elements. Just try to do it peacefully like they did in Egypt. Don't work a job if it's to pay for the machine that enslaves you to corporations like big pharma, Coke or Big Oil.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Looks like the meds aren't working,AGAIN!!!!!

[PonchoV8]

The only thing consistent about you is that you never have anything to disprove the issues discussed. Your furher Glenn Beck is being cancalled. Nobody was believing the caliphate, Muslim Brother-hood (AKA new boogie-man) routine.

I guess your point is that gold isn't money, fiat currency doesn't fail. The USA doesn't have 8000 tons of gold, the EU doesn't have 10000 tons, James Dines didn't call his shot 30 yrs prior, Faber didn't make his statement, Obama didn't say he wants to double exports in 2 yrs, Rare Earths aren't controlled by China, etc, etc. Oh yeah, Assyians don't exist, Arabs are Semites, Hitler quoted Sanger, etc, etc, etc. Garand is spelled with two Rs.


ETA: (1) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=1 Police have no Constitutional responsibility to protect.
(2) "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons."
Deputy Police Chief Warren Riley http://gunowners.org/notb.htm
(3) I still maintain that an A-10 will not be used agin you as someone above posted.

[hurryinhoosier62]

NO, my point is that it's been cloudy in E.Tennessee. You're being morose,again!!
BTW....remember to keep CH subjects in the CH. I would hate to see you get banned!!

[PonchoV8]

You're the one starting personal attacks in the Lobby. You'll never grow up.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Doug,

I expressed an OPINION. We don't hear from you for months,but when inclemate weather occurs in E. Tennessee you appear, morose as ever. I was giving you a
friendly reminder about taking disputes out of the CH and bring them to the Lobby.
DON'T DO IT!!! I enjoy our banter. Truly, I would hate to see you banned.

[PonchoV8]

(1a) "Inclement."
(1) And yet my post was from 4-26-11----NOT YESTERDAY when the rain and clouds blew through tow--wrong as usual, Steve.
(2) The thread is about OTHER people talking about stock piling thousands of rounds of ammo, fuel, etc. for a coming apocalyptic event, A-10s coming out of the sky to get them. You're just too full of your hate to see that--which is why you crawled out of the CB for your personal attack here in the Lobby. Better abide by the Lobby rules or you're going to get a vacation. My stance is that as an armed citizen in an END WORLD situation, you aren't as capable as you think you are. Prepare accordingly.
(3) Please take the junk back to the Clubhouse.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Doug,

Sorry for the typo. Breathe deeply. What hatred?? Personally, I think anyone that isn't
prepared for an unforeseen event is foolish. What amazes me is you ALWAYS connect
EVERYTHING into an anti-capitalist rant. YOU are who brought a CH "debate" into the
Lobby,not me. This marks my conclusion on this subject. I have tried to warn you.
Continue on at your own risk. I just got off a"vacation". I don't plan on taking another.

[PonchoV8]

Were you get sent home for starting arguments? I don't see any hatred, but you seem to trying to pick at me.

Show of hands, please; how many other people actually believe we're under the system of capitalism in the USA with our CURRENCY and banks? I'm pretty sure there are no market forces being allowed with the US Dollar---QE 1, QE 2 and monetizing Treasury debt. Pricing gold holdings at 47 dollars isn't capitalism. Bailing out corporations that would be out of business and making the populace pay the expense is Fascism or at best Corporatism/ Mercantilism. I'm pretty sure I've been listening to the right economists for the past 2 years.