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Thanks again to Dick for test..It was his $$$ & time.
It's not a comparision to the whole world...just those two heads. Still provided numbers to ponder... Never the less...good info.. PTTFMF....no mater what head..
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540 c.i. Ultra Street Combo Tiger Heads with Tiger Intake Induction Solutions fogger with .046 jet First ultra street/ultimate street NOS car to get into the 4's! 1.079 4.559 153.23. 3100 lbs 7.77 @ 169 1/4 Mile (2015) with EHTTFMF!! T2TTFMF! Special Thanks to: Ron at Rhodes Custom Auto Butler Peformance Jim Hostler's Transmissions (HOSGTO) on here Induction Solutions BES Racing Engines. Cheeseburger VP Racing Fuels Calvert Racing |
#83
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I think he is trying to say without those two you are nothing. LOL
He forgot about Gaby tho... Anyone can go there why is everyone else so slow?
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#84
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... I just wanted to say thank you for your independent testing Mr.Fulton, I think at the very least the results are interesting and i really look forward to your track testing of this combo once your sprayin' , it should prove to be a lot of fun !!! ... ... but i felt it should be noted due to the request of a Tiger or Warp 6 top-end to be tested on your stock block combo, as those heads will not clear a stock block bore, which maybe some people are not aware of, i wasn't sure ... |
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... now that's funny ... ... like it or not, this test of Dick's is completely relevant, and represents the gains possible for a WP E-Head user looking to change to a CV-1 top end, while i think this type of switch would most likely be a fully CNC'd set of CV-1's instead of unported ones, it was still nice to see the increases in HP & TQ on this combo going from the CNC'd WP's ... ... i think an even better test would be unported E-Heads to unported CV-1's, while the costs would be cheaper for the E-Head combo in that test, i think the power difference would more than justify the increase in cost, JMO ... ... which in my mind now raises the question, what unported cylinder head can make over 800hp on a stock block in pump gas trim ?? ... |
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I think this is about as good of a test as your going to get. Every test has its issues and results may very but it this isn't to bad of an apples to apples imo. Cudos to Dick for taking the time to do this. I am curious how a set of standard port HP would have compared to the e-heads and cv-1. |
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One can always look for fly sh*t in pepper to complain about.
If you are honest enough, their is not a bad thing to be said about this dyno run. It is an unbiased, true apples to apples comparison. Finally someone has taken up the courage and personal expense to do it. it is good to see even if a few years to late Hats off to Mr. Fulton for providing us with this test
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you got something to say????
Ron doesnt tune my car never has.. He sold me shocks and sold me cal trac bars and leaf springs.. guess I should have made my own shocks and bars and leafs??? My suspension is nothing trick anyone can see that.. I make it work.. The comp cams guys designed the cam in my n/a motor NOT Tony. Gaby did the heads and intake NOT Tony. Tony fixed my oil system problem when I was tearing up number 7 bearing. Tony added compression to the motor with new pistons... So maybe you should get your story straight before you run your mouth...
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#89
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One plus I see with the CV1 is blowing or sucking there will be more intake gasket.
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#92
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You are right though, part of being fast is surrounding yourself with the right people and that's exactly what we do.
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Thought cantered valve would require different pistons.
Same piston do to larger cc's and/or short lift cam/rockers? Seems anyone been mess'n with Pontiac's any length of time would be able to tell there's 3-4 better heads available then wide port E-hd's by look'n at them. Can understand if it's NHRA rule, or $ issue.
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What a dick thing to say.... Let me know when you're test and tune runs put money in your pocket... Cuz my bracket racing does...
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Yes, the E-head is a 20 yr old aluminum copy of a 40+ yr old head, nothing fancy at all. I would expect the Tigers and High Port heads to be better, they were designed to be. The CV1 has the added benefit of canted valves, anyone that has a basic understanding of airflow knows it should be a better head than the e-head. The question was never about what it was capable of, but rather when someone was going to do it. It had become the "Danica" of Pontiac heads, lots of talk with little on track performance to back it up. Now with Mr. Fulton ready for track action that will change things up a bit. |
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DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN
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540 c.i. Ultra Street Combo Tiger Heads with Tiger Intake Induction Solutions fogger with .046 jet First ultra street/ultimate street NOS car to get into the 4's! 1.079 4.559 153.23. 3100 lbs 7.77 @ 169 1/4 Mile (2015) with EHTTFMF!! T2TTFMF! Special Thanks to: Ron at Rhodes Custom Auto Butler Peformance Jim Hostler's Transmissions (HOSGTO) on here Induction Solutions BES Racing Engines. Cheeseburger VP Racing Fuels Calvert Racing |
#98
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I'll tell ya what jack.. I'll buy a ticket out there, get in your car and lay down a pass just as quick as you do in your own car, then I'll buy you a ticket to come here, put you in my car, and lets see you cut something better than those 140 pro tree lights and see if you can figure out how to turn on an actual win light in a real race, not a time pass... Let me know what your schedule looks like... Then maybe I can come home and sit in front of my computer with a cape and a hard on and pretend like I'm something special too..
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#99
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BTW this is the internet..... you dont have to read any of this..... Jack is fast and he can talk chit if he wants.
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#100
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IMHO, lil jack wasn't trying to insult bracket racers.
I'm with you Adam until you get into the full electronics bracket racing, then its more video game and less driver talent. Yes you gotta be good, but I'll take a good ole foot brake driver that knows how to work the pedal over a box any day. (for talent) |
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