[Tom Vaught]

Assume we are talking a NA Vehicle. No Boost, Nitrous, Turbo, Supercharger.
(We have a Boost Forum for that discussion already). Just interested in what is left out there
(with so many racers no longer racing, passing on, etc).

Just some examples: No wars, no slurs, no slander.

Tom V.

[PAUL K]

John Langer

[Scott Stoneburg]

What about Dwight and John Snider?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Scott Stoneburg

What about Dwight and John Snider?

They are fast also (IMHO). Dwight is not as fast as the other two. Snyder is very close, maybe he's been faster than the King once, but I don't think so. I think Langer gets the crown as he is consistently out there running the number. Snyder's engine builder's seem to have delays with John's engine projects.

[PAUL K]

I just remembered JL switched to a manual transmission this year. He picked up a bunch and set the class record. Most of the competitors started complaining about the BOP weight breaks after he set the record.

[TinInjun]

When Langer and Matukas get the chassis consistent with the Liberty, the NA 10.5 racers are going to start yelling to the gods to add weight to his car.

[Gary H]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

I just remembered JL switched to a manual transmission this year. He picked up a bunch and set the class record. Most of the competitors started complaining about the BOP weight breaks after he set the record.

Interesting Paul. I didn't know that he went the manual transmission route. Do you know how much it picked up?

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by Scott Stoneburg

What about Dwight and John Snider?

Snyder is a nitrous car now.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Scott Stoneburg

What about Dwight and John Snider?

John Snyder has run 7.59 @ 178 NA on the 275 drag radial.... Since then he switched to a nitrous class and is sorting the new combo out.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

John Snyder has run 7.59 @ 178 NA on the 275 drag radial.... Since then he switched to a nitrous class and is sorting the new combo out.

Paul,
It has been a few years since I saw any of them at the track. But John Snyder was running N/A in the same class as Jeff Kinsler was running nitrous. It was an 1/8 mile class. Do you know if Chris U is still building John's engines?

Stan

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Paul,
It has been a few years since I saw any of them at the track. But John Snyder was running N/A in the same class as Jeff Kinsler was running nitrous. It was an 1/8 mile class. Do you know if Chris U is still building John's engines?

Stan

Hi Stan, I'm not sure about John and KK running the same class back then. I would think nitrous cars would never compete against NA. I think last year they both competed in a 275 nitrous class. I also believe Chris has done some work for JS but doubt he is his only engine guy.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

John Snyder has run 7.59 @ 178 NA on the 275 drag radial.... Since then he switched to a nitrous class and is sorting the new combo out.

When JS ran the above time at the 2018 World Cup 1/4 mile Wild Street Class he was not using nitrous. I believe he had the fastest NA Pontiac on the property that day.

[Dragncar]

I believe thats just a nickname. Tiger 2s, I think they take a wider valve cover.
I am just glad ho did not sell the engine and is still out there kicking @$$.

[John Langer]

They are tiger 1’s that we heavily modified and kind of were the prototype for the tiger 2’s. I jokenly call them cv-juans as a dig at cv-1’s since mine blow them out of the water. There were a few keyboard jockeys 6-7 years ago claiming they would outrun me with that other head. 😂

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by John Langer

They are tiger 1’s that we heavily modified and kind of were the prototype for the tiger 2’s. I jokenly call them cv-juans as a dig at cv-1’s since mine blow them out of the water. There were a few keyboard jockeys 6-7 years ago claiming they would outrun me with that other head. 😂

Ok, that makes sense now...I thought maybe I had blacked out for a season or something...Good luck in 2023 with that beast.

[Tom Vaught]

Hard to argue with facts. Thank You and Happy New Year, John.

Tom V.

[Stan Weiss]

Paul,
This would have been 4 or 5 years ago. They were both running "Ultra Street" which was 1/8. These are a snippet from the rules from a few years ago. I also believe Ray Cox may have run this class at sometime.

The last time I saw John Snyder's car it was N/A with a beautiful billet manifold by John Marcella.

Stan

– Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Mopar N/A 632 – (2750) (Any single carb / TB intake permitted)

– Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Mopar Nitrous 588 – (3075) (Mopar conventional B 1 head accepted)

– Maximum CID for Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Mopar Nitrous combinations is 588 inches. (541 to 588 cu in add 2lbs per cu in over 540)

TIRES
POWER ADDER LEGAL TIRES:
MT 3559 275/60-15 ET Street R
MT 3553 255/60-15 ET Street R or any 26 x 8.5 – DEDUCT-50lbs
MT 3453 275/60-15 ET Street S/S – DEDUCT -100lbs
N/A LEGAL TIRES:
MT 3559 275/60-15 ET Street R – DEDUCT – 25lbs
MT 3453 275/60-15 ET Street S/S – DEDUCT -150lbs
MT 3754X 275/60-15 ET PRO 275

[John Langer]

Snyder runs nitrous.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by John Langer
They are tiger 1’s that we heavily modified and kind of were the prototype for the tiger 2’s. I jokenly call them cv-juans as a dig at cv-1’s since mine blow them out of the water. There were a few keyboard jockeys 6-7 years ago claiming they would outrun me with that other head. ��

Always nice to get the right head identified for the right vehicle.
I had forgotten about your cv-juans "as a dig at cv-1’s since mine blow them out of the water. There were a few keyboard jockeys 6-7 years ago claiming they would outrun me with that other head".

1) Glad you are going quicker each time you upgrade your combination.

2) So would it be possible to post up the 2022 numbers for the ECM based on the 2022
people still racing in the east????

Tom V.

[PAUL K]

East Coast is where you will find most of the fastest Pontiacs. Texas has the baddest iron head street Pontiacs.