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Nitrous 428 or 455 block?
Which block would be better for a 2-stage 550hp nitrous application 69 428(4-bolt) or 73-74 455(2-bolt)?
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Neither.
Sell both and put that $$$ towards an IAII. That's a healthy dose of juice. |
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I agree, if you're spraying that much an IAII is needed.
And if you absolutely had to run a factory block, get a late 60's to early 70's 400 block and add billet caps and fill it to the top. (race only) Then you might live at the 800 HP level, but who knows for how long. |
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I just have to ask this.
If someone throws a rod through the side of an aftermarket block, will it be replaced free under warranty?
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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If you throw a rod, it isn't really a failure of the block.
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If you throw a rod, would the rod be replaced free under warranty ?
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That much nitrous is definately aftermarket block territory.
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Ok, What if I build a Factory Block 455 to make about 100 horsepower then spray it with 700 shot of NOs ?
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Dil, don't use a 455 block.
Use a 400. With all the 400's I have, I could go through quite a few before I got to the aftermarket price. So, Brandn74, I'd use a 400 block with a stroker kit if you want the cubic inches. With 500/more HP from the nitrous, the rods probably won't stay long in it anyway.
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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How do you build a 100HP 455?
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Thanks for the info gentlemen.I have a BIG MONEY race coming up with some local chevy boys and well you know the rest.
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Only if it was the block's fault, Jon.
And FTR, I didn't mean to leave the MR1 out, it would also be a choice for anyone looking to make more horsepower than a stock block will take. |
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How's that for diplomacy? |
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PDUDE- what do those pills=in HP?
Sorry, i dont understand the relationship between pills and the advertised HP of the kit.
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Derek B. Current best: 11.97@110 1.65-60' !!! '74 ventura, (Fired july 14/06) '74 462 4-bolt (9.5-1), SCAT, Ross, T-II w/850DP (shaker455), TH350, Conti 10'' 3800, Supercomps, Magnaflow, 3'' Pypes, 3.73's, 28x13.5-15 ET streets. 1970 Beismeyer 17' flatbottom vdrive, 11.8:1 455P, ported heads, dual Qjet tunnel ram. |
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I go roughly by the manufactures listed hp to start but fine tune from there. HP can vary depending on cu.in and your combo with the same pills. You can run a plate square or more nitrous then fuel and bump the pressure to atomize a little better. Same deal with a fogger. Ya start somewhere on the low side, jet wise, to get a grip on what your nitrous system tune up likes. Remember, nitrous doesn't make the hp. The fuel does. |
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I'm guessing by the question he asked that he knows enough about nitrous to be dangerous. It will take careful tuning at that level to get it done without hurting parts, especially with a stock block. Now I have to ask. What other parts are in the plans to go with the stock block? Rods, pistons, crank, main caps, crankshaft? If these are also going to be stock or stock replacement type parts I would say it probably won't make a full pass. If these parts are good aftermarket parts that are up to the task of hp level you are planning to make with good machine work, it will live for a while but I wouldn't spray it too many times with that much juice. You would be living on the edge. The block would definatley be the weak link. Either that or the tranny, convertor, or rear end if you can put all that power to the ground. |
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''I have put 36/38/40 pills to a factory block.
I have put 120 plate pills to a factory block.'' So the first statement is a fogger and the second a plate system? That would make sense. ~300hp plate?
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Derek B. Current best: 11.97@110 1.65-60' !!! '74 ventura, (Fired july 14/06) '74 462 4-bolt (9.5-1), SCAT, Ross, T-II w/850DP (shaker455), TH350, Conti 10'' 3800, Supercomps, Magnaflow, 3'' Pypes, 3.73's, 28x13.5-15 ET streets. 1970 Beismeyer 17' flatbottom vdrive, 11.8:1 455P, ported heads, dual Qjet tunnel ram. |
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Biltit, there is a lot more to it than just the jet size.
Once you get into custom tunes with different bottle and fuel pressures the factory listed HP numbers are out the window. Its all about flow rates and distribution. |
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Ya, starting to see that. Just easier for me to keep everything straight in my head as a reference.
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Derek B. Current best: 11.97@110 1.65-60' !!! '74 ventura, (Fired july 14/06) '74 462 4-bolt (9.5-1), SCAT, Ross, T-II w/850DP (shaker455), TH350, Conti 10'' 3800, Supercomps, Magnaflow, 3'' Pypes, 3.73's, 28x13.5-15 ET streets. 1970 Beismeyer 17' flatbottom vdrive, 11.8:1 455P, ported heads, dual Qjet tunnel ram. |
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GOOD LUCK
Go For it.... everyone here is doom and gloom, can you post the carnage pics after? I have always thought it was cool to see a motor come apart.... as long as it isnt mine.
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