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Roll Call: Ram Air II 68 GTO's
List will be updated as frequently as they come in with enough details and documentation.
Currently we have 12 of these cars Documented over the past 6 years. Out of the 246 cars built - thats only about 5% 199 4speed 47 Automatic If you own or have concrete knowledge of a 68 GTO Ram Air II car - please share and add to the information / data pool we have been compiling for these extra awesome GTO's. Provide as much info/details as possible. Billing History Card, tranny, colors, options, build date, condition, original drivetrain intact, etc ... Not trying to pinpoint car location or location of owner - just documenting the cars themselves. And trying to keep any from being counted more than once. |
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Current Known List
1. Convertible Black- Black top- Gold interior - 4spd
Unrestored excellent survivor - high option - 56k miles Sold at Mecum for 165k in 2011 or 2012 Documented BHC on PY 2. Convertible Burgandy- White top- White interior - 4spd Being Frame Off Restored - well optioned John in Ohio Documented BHC on PY 3. Convertible Gold - Gold interior - Blk top - Automatic Low mile survivor with cosmetic resto Rob L in Illinois documented 4. Convertible Red - Blk top - Blk interior - 4spd Mark of Mich. his cousin bought it New. Been sold. 5. Blue - Blue interior - Automatic Numbers match, intact survivor Gary Oklahoma documented 6. VooDoo Green - Black interior - Automatic Project - missing drivetrain Chris "The Boss" in Conn. - bought from Gary Okla documented 7. VooDoo Green - Black Vinyl top - Black interior 4spd Matching #s original survivor - has now been frame off restored by Greg Teeters previously owned by Gary Oklahoma Sold to Kevin in Seattle documented 8. VooDoo Green - Black interior 4spd Brian OhiO Documented BHC on PY 9. Alpine Blue Automatic Unknown Owner Documented BHC on PY 10. Aegena Blue - Black interior - 4spd Bought on eBay as a project / parts car - was left outside with no front clip Turns out as Matching #s Ram2 - parked since 1972 with 52k miles Currently undergoing frame-off resto by owner PY member gto66yellow in Indiana documented * 11. MIA - block only Gold - Blk interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block / engine sold on eBay * 12. MIA - block only Gold - Gold interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block belongs to PY member in GA. 13. Green - Gold interior 4spd project car being frame off restored by owner now in Georgia - PY member gahotrods Documented BHC on PY 14. Red - Blk interior - Blk Vinyl top - 4spd Real Good above driver quality - older resto Sold for 40k June 2012 Meccum Auction Came from Salmon Brothers Collection Have not seen any documents or dates Unknown Owner Knafel in Ohio 68 GTO Ram2 Race Car |
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For starters , in case you think you may have a prospect in the barn or in the bushes , your PHS Billing Card would need to have a 7 in option box 34 - - aka 347.
The build date on the trim tag would need to be after 05A - earlier models will be Ram Air 1 Actually 05C is about as early as they (Ram 2) come - but anything built in May is worth checking out. We can verify any of them accurately - via breaking the option prices data on the Billing History from scratch and coming back up from base price of car. Along with destination charge. Ram Air II was a running change late in the production model year. It superceeded the Ram Air 1 option, and had a slightly higher cost than Ram 1. The Ram1 and Ram2 were not available at the same time as an Either / Or selection - such as Ram Air III and Ram Air IV were in 69 and 70. If your prospect has or had Factory Air Conditioning - likely no need to pursue it any further. All these GTO's came standard with 4.33 gears and A/C was not available. A copy of the Billing History Card is The Supreme proof positive. You do not need to reveal your full VIN if you don't want to. I will be glad to do the math / science on any #347 optioned car to determine its status. (with build date No Earlier than 05A) Inquire by posting here - or by Pvt. Msg. We have the methods and pricing descrepencies down to the full science. Some are more complicated than others. The math/science does not lie or play favorites. |
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Sample of the science/math to determine between Ram Air 1 and Ram Air 2
If you try to do your own and have trouble - there are some descrepencies on certain things at different points in the year model. Feel free to ask for help if you encounter problems. THE MATH HAS TO MATCH EXACTLY. 37 5 is actually 37 S = 4.33 axle Last edited by Baron Von Zeppelin; 10-13-2012 at 12:51 AM. |
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Todd, is #9 the BHC to the XW engine I sold a few years ago to **** in MI?
And correction on the number of Auto cars - For some reason I thought Brian's was an auto.
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Yes dammit , #9 is the one from that BHC you supplied.
I never knew at that time - it was just from an engine you had. LoL i'll change that one to MIA status on next listing update. Dropping the MIA's from being numbered probably is a better idea too. This is the BHC that Brian supplied to a Green 4spd. He will have to comment to verify i guess ... else he owes us another BHC ! Last edited by Baron Von Zeppelin; 10-13-2012 at 01:08 PM. |
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My master list collection on 68 RamAir2 stuff is on a crashed computer.
I'm running off of what i was able to search back and find posted in threads. Had a nice clear Color Picture of this same 68 Knafel Tin Indian photo. Maybe someone else has a color copy ? |
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anyone know where this car is today????
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Update after correction.
Only 11 GTO's MIA's are now un-numbered , but still retain honorable mention. 1. Convertible Black- Black top- Gold interior - 4spd Unrestored excellent survivor - high option - 56k miles Sold at Mecum for 165k in 2011 or 2012 Documented BHC on PY 2. Convertible Burgandy- White top- White interior - 4spd Being Frame Off Restored - well optioned John in Ohio Documented BHC on PY 3. Convertible Gold - Gold interior - Blk top - Automatic Low mile survivor with cosmetic resto Rob L in Illinois documented 4. Convertible Red - Blk top - Blk interior - 4spd Mark of Mich. his cousin bought it New. Been sold. 5. Blue - Blue interior - Automatic Numbers match, intact survivor Gary Oklahoma documented 6. VooDoo Green - Black interior - Automatic Project - missing drivetrain Chris "The Boss" in Conn. - bought from Gary Okla documented 7. VooDoo Green - Black Vinyl top - Black interior 4spd Matching #s original survivor - has now been frame off restored by Greg Teeters previously owned by Gary Oklahoma Sold to Kevin in Seattle documented 8. VooDoo Green - Black interior 4spd Brian OhiO Documented BHC on PY 9. Aegena Blue - Black interior - 4spd Bought on eBay as a project / parts car - was left outside with no front clip Turns out as Matching #s Ram2 - parked since 1972 with 52k miles Currently undergoing frame-off resto by owner PY member gto66yellow in Indiana documented 10. Green - Gold interior 4spd project car being frame off restored by owner now in Georgia - PY member gahotrods Documented BHC on PY 11. Red - Blk interior - Blk Vinyl top - 4spd Real Good above driver quality - older resto Sold for 40k June 2012 Meccum Auction Came from Salmon Brothers Collection Have not seen any documents or dates Unknown Owner * MIA - Knafel in Ohio 68 GTO Ram2 Tin Indian Race Car * MIA - complete LongBlock Alpine Blue - Automatic Documented BHC on PY * MIA - block only Gold - Blk interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block / engine sold on eBay * MIA - block only Gold - Gold interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block belongs to PY member in GA. |
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Knafel had the 68 for sale in Aug. 68. Supposedly was bought by a local kid who destroyed it in ’71. Was told it was written up in the Akron paper due to the ex race car connection.
The guy who told me seemed to have a lot of detail, but personally can not substantiate it. I even spent an afternoon at the Akron library going through the 71 and 72 papers, but never found anything.
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I talked with a gentlemen by the name of Ross out of Troy, MI who said he had a red hardtop.
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John R. Zerucha 1968 GTO RA II Convertible Sorry..The race car is Buick Powered 70 Skylark @2800 lbs 8.78 @ 153 mph 535 Stage 4 2850 lbs 8.97 @ 149 mph 523 Stage 4 9.36 @ 143 mph 464 Stage 2 9.77 @ 135 mph 464 Stage 1 88 Hawk @2355 lbs 8.06 @ 167 mph 535 Stage 4 7.90 @ 171 mph 572 Stage 4 |
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Is it the same car as RedBull #13 ? Chasing a lead on another Michigan Deuce that i found info about on another website. Unknown color / options / condition Only know this : it lives in Michigan sold new through PMD Retail Store same owner since 1976 WY block code Had #722 69 IV heads in place when bought in 76 - and still in place as of 1 year ago. Brian S. has attempted to contact the owner through the HPP website about a week ago. No word as of yet. His screen name on HPP is gto wolf or gtowolf BHC to the car is his avatar, but its too small to translate it. If anyone knows the owner, would be great to hear more from him about the car. And would gladly verify/document his BHC info for him if he would share with us. |
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Baron,
Yes, Ross's car is #13. Do you have any information regarding car #4? Is there any way I can get in touch with Mark of MI? Thanks
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John R. Zerucha 1968 GTO RA II Convertible Sorry..The race car is Buick Powered 70 Skylark @2800 lbs 8.78 @ 153 mph 535 Stage 4 2850 lbs 8.97 @ 149 mph 523 Stage 4 9.36 @ 143 mph 464 Stage 2 9.77 @ 135 mph 464 Stage 1 88 Hawk @2355 lbs 8.06 @ 167 mph 535 Stage 4 7.90 @ 171 mph 572 Stage 4 |
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That is Mark Weymouth.
He posted about it (GTO Vert) in the Bird RamAir II roll call thread. He owns two Ram2 Birds. You could try contacting him via PM from his post in that thread. Or someone might know how to contact him through business channels. He only has a couple/few posts on here. But believe he is well known in most Pontiac circles from way back. |
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Some guys they just give up living And start dying little by little, piece by piece, Some guys come home from work and wash up, And go racin' in the street. Bruce Springsteen - Racing In The Street - 1978 |
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Yes it is Greg.
In fact we have been hoping to find him since post #48 in Oct 2012. lol Quote:
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It was in the 8/17/68 issue of Drag News
Brian
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There was also the Stephen Pontiac 1968 GTO, with a chrome beak and a RAII, out of Bristol, CT. Stephen Pontiac had 2 Pontiacs they raced at that time, the other was a 69 Firebird RAIV. I believe both cars were Mayfair Maize in color. They then ran a RAV powered Firebird from 1970-1973.
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It does look pale like Mayfair Maize. And a good shot of the 69 IV Towne Bird while i'm at it. In case you don't have these. Thanks for posting the 68 GTO Stephen Racer |
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