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Old 01-25-2023, 11:39 PM
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Default What thermostat to use, 180 or 195 ?

What temperature thermostat is every using in their 1960's and 1970's street driven Pontiacs ?

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Old 01-25-2023, 11:48 PM
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I use a 180 in the 37 in my signature.

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Old 01-27-2023, 04:22 PM
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I use a 160°. Works for me. I don’t overheat up at Dreamcruise

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180. Whatever you decide test in a pot of go water first to learn where it opens- some open 10-15 degrees past the rating

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With real gas, a 180. With the e10 piss, a 160. Lots of issues down here about fuel boiling out of the vent tubes. So, I try to keep the engine, under hood air, carb as cool as possible.

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Old 01-26-2023, 10:17 AM
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IMO, a 195 is too hot for an engine with a carburetor, especially running E10. 160-180, Trial and error. A really good radiator and fan will keep a 160 thermostat engine running around 170. About 190 with a 180 thermostat. If the engine runs good with a 180 thermostat you will get slightly better gas mileage and keep the spark plugs cleaner at long idle/low speed driving.

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Old 01-27-2023, 05:51 PM
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160° thermo was part of the Royal Treatment.

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Old 01-27-2023, 06:46 PM
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160

If I be were driving my car daily in cold climate winters, I might use a 180-195

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180 and a good cooling system has worked for me (clutch fan, 4 core copper or 2 Core alluminum radiator and proper tune.)

195 you'll probably fight Detonation.

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I use a 160 in everything. Which means typically they'll run in the 170 range on a really hot day, which helps to keep me out of detonation and away from vapor lock issues with todays gas.

On a cooler day, say 70 degrees or below, I generally see it operate closer to the thermostat rating.

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I run a 160 in everything, and drill a small hole in the base of them to help bleed air/prevent air pockets.

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195° F, 10w30 mineral engine oil and 50/50 glykol/water, just what the service manual calls for. Not an issue in 25+ years.
Note: Too low engine operating temperature increases wear and looses power.

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I haven't found that last statement to be true......with my stuff anyway.

I've been running these 160 stats in several of the classics here for going on 35-40 years. I've never had any excessive wear problems. In fact 2 of them are daily drivers that have seen over 100k miles combined in the last 5-6 years and they still perform perfectly

At the track we've found our best ET and MPH when the car is cooled to about 150 to start the run and generally is around 165-170 when finished. Hotter just slows the cars down so I don't see the loss of power with the cooler temps either.

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I haven't found that last statement to be true......with my stuff anyway.

I've been running these 160 stats in several of the classics here for going on 35-40 years. I've never had any excessive wear problems. In fact 2 of them are daily drivers that have seen over 100k miles combined in the last 5-6 years and they still perform perfectly

At the track we've found our best ET and MPH when the car is cooled to about 150 to start the run and generally is around 165-170 when finished. Hotter just slows the cars down so I don't see the loss of power with the cooler temps either.
I totally agree. In my years of experience in racing. Temps above 180 slowed the car down. I would be forced to soften my dial in during hot laps. I also run 160 thermostats and had zero issues with excessive wear.
If ones car is strictly a street driven car and for some reason the owner likes to drive it in cold winter conditions then I would put in a 180 so the heater would work better.

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I totally agree. In my years of experience in racing. Temps above 180 slowed the car down. I would be forced to soften my dial in during hot laps. I also run 160 thermostats and had zero issues with excessive wear.
If ones car is strictly a street driven car and for some reason the owner likes to drive it in cold winter conditions then I would put in a 180 so the heater would work better.
Yep, racing in Phoenix especially.

I've run my bird the most there, and in early rounds with enough cool down time I can run right on my dial where the car has run it's best time, but once we get down to the last 6 or 8 cars and time shortens between rounds I have to dial it back from 13.10's to 13.30's because it just won't run the number when the engine gets that hot.

If you use the typical drag strip slide rule for HP, that's a significant drop when the engine heats up.

I always have very similar results with the other cars as well.

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I haven't found that last statement to be true......with my stuff anyway.

I've been running these 160 stats in several of the classics here for going on 35-40 years. I've never had any excessive wear problems. In fact 2 of them are daily drivers that have seen over 100k miles combined in the last 5-6 years and they still perform perfectly

At the track we've found our best ET and MPH when the car is cooled to about 150 to start the run and generally is around 165-170 when finished. Hotter just slows the cars down so I don't see the loss of power with the cooler temps either.
Yep. Same here. No problems with engines running 160`s. Street drive em in the summer here with a hot thermostat? Good luck.


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160 degree thermostat for years.

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160 in all my Pontiacs for the past 45 years. No problems.

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I use Brad Penn 20W50 in mine. Any idea what other oils with same viscosity have similar pour ratings?

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Let me see if I can find the chart and I'll post it. There are quite a few that have good pour ratings.

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