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#1
11-06-2004, 10:45 PM
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Has anyone got any info on new forged crankshafts?
I e mailed Scat a week ago and got no reply.
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11-25-2004, 07:57 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scott Misus:
Chuck: You speak as though "Corporation" is a filthy word, and that a corporation is some greedy money pit into which capital flows and disappears. A corporation consists of shareholders; the sole reason the corporation exists is shareholder wealth maximization. Don't lose sight of that fact.  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No not really . But as a machinist at a company that is also a foundry making die castings. It is everyday life trying to figure out ways to make it faster/cheaper just to stay remotely competitive. |
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#3
11-22-2004, 08:59 PM
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thanks Tom,have not run into one of those yet.Tom
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11-09-2004, 05:06 PM
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I would think that you could make the 3.0 and the 3.25 mains and both the Pontiac and the BBC rod journal sizes from the same forging. As for what is the most popular stroke I would say first 4.25, then 4.21, then 4.0 or 4.5, then 3.75. I can't see them selling for more than $700.
Tim C
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11-10-2004, 08:46 AM
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I'd pay $800 for a forged crank no problem; however, I'm wanting one with a 4.25" stroke or maybe 4.375". I'm still relatively new to building Pontiacs but I think there may be a bigger demand for longer strokes, as most cranks aren't being raced full time. They're going into street, street / strip, & part time bracket racing engines, where--I think--people want bigger engines.
Most of the people I know are building 46x cid engines with 4.25" stroke Eagle cranks. I think a longer stroke forged crank would sell better than a shorter stroke version. There's my two-bits. 
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11-24-2004, 01:00 PM
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If true...count me in for sure
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11-08-2004, 07:31 PM
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4.250 stroke with 3.25" mains 2.200 rods
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#8
11-09-2004, 08:47 PM
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There is no volume in the Pontiac market. That's why a forged crank could not be comparable in price to a Chevy.
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#9
11-08-2004, 07:11 PM
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If they were reasonable I'd buy one. It's unfortunate that you can get a forged SBC or BBC crank for under 500 but none are made for Pontiac.
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#10
11-24-2004, 05:07 PM
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OK what is it a billet or a forging?Also what main size?If a stock 455 we will still need the Dude bearing kit if we want to cut them down.Tom
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#11
11-09-2004, 05:15 PM
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You guys are dreaming if you think anyone will ever produce a forged Pontiac crank for $700 or less.
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#12
11-10-2004, 05:51 PM
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Just got off the phone with Dave Crowler about Billet Cranks and there will be a surprise in about 2 weeks. (Low price) Talked to him on the phone about forged and said there is nothing in the works for them unless there would be a call for 200 or more and maybe he would think about it.
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#13
11-25-2004, 08:43 PM
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I am not a expert but I do know that Gary McGlasson who build my engines has his act together and if you need a engine build and you qualify for Gary's expertise then he will build you a Motor thaty flys.
case closed as I am lol His Phone number is 505-865-0059 . By the way don't leave your number for Gary to call back as he works 24/7 and you must call him until you get Gary live . Lol |
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#14
11-10-2004, 08:31 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crossbreed 455:
Just got off the phone with Dave Crowler about Billet Cranks and there will be a surprise in about 2 weeks. (Low price) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> where will this announcement be made about the "low price"? i'm sure there will be a bunch of peeps all over that deal if it's true. are they still talking about a 6 month wait for one of their billets? |
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12-02-2004, 04:35 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crossbreed 455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scott Misus: Why would somebody pay $1900 for a piece of Chinese steel when they can pay $2300-$2600 for the real deal?  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Chinese where the heck do you get that from? They are not getting it from China. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It was already established earlier in this thread that the steel was coming from a foreign source. Are you privy to information otherwise?
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11-07-2004, 06:59 AM
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Yup, Crower said last year they would do one after they did some for Ford, probably by the year 2039.
Not that they're working on one, but I think you would sooner see one from AllPontiac before you'd see one from anyone else.
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#17
11-09-2004, 09:13 PM
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the other reason is we cant decide what would be the best one to make!It cost a lot of money to tool up and machine a forging.No one wants to have a bunch of diff combos on the shelf hoping that someone will buy one.The billet guys are selling cranks as fast as they can make them.WHY would anyone that is trying to make any kind of return on investment do a forging for our hobby?
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11-12-2004, 07:42 PM
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the only 400 forged cranks were RA Vs,No 455s were forged as far as I know.Tom
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11-10-2004, 07:22 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rumair:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brian Baker: Man, why is it that every 3 months or so this same argument pops up? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> my thoughts exactly...seems like we have a 3 or 4 page thread on this subject every few months! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Rumair they are all talk, theres a forged crank on Ebay now and instead of buying it they sit back and talk about it.
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#20
11-11-2004, 08:11 PM
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Quote:
"There are 4 way to make a crank: 1. Cast N Cranks Nodular 2. Forged EN7 or 4140 3. Cnc Machined 4. Cast Steel 4150 Why are there none of these in the market? Did Ford try this process? Please fill me in." One more way Bob, the Moldex way: Carve it out of a hunk of billet using non CNC machines, custom "one off" fixtures, and years and years of experience making and grinding cranks for everyone in the business one crank at a time. I talked to a crank guy today and he told me I should talk to our materials people about your question. Tom V.
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