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Recently purchased 72 GP
Picked this up about a month ago. The story is that it's a two-owner car, with a brother-in law buying it from the family after the original owner passed away. He had the car since 1982. Nice original interior. Repainted back in the 80s, so it will need some TLC. Tune up and brake work so far. It seems to be running really well at this point. I've loved these cars since I was 13 years old, and my parents bought one brand new. My dad routinely traded cars every 3 years, but mom wouldn't let him get rid of her 72. She managed to keep him from trading it until 1980. I'm hoping to hang onto this one for a while. I was a little worried about the numbers. The car was built in April of 72. When I scraped off the grease and checked the engine block it has a Y3 code instead of YS. I put it on the ramps and checked next to the timing cover and there it was, the matching VIN stamped into the block. Heads are correct 72 heads. I'll have to get the PHS on the car to make sure, but it appears that this has a numbers matching engine even though it has a 1973 engine block code. The PHS should verify whether or not it's correct.
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great looking GP!!
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Does it have 14 or 15 inch wheels?
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(400 4 bbl)
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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cleaned up real nice...congrats
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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Nice score and that interior looks amazingly preserved
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Chris D 69 GTO Liberty Blue/dark blue T400, 9" w 3.50s, 3905lbs 461, 850 Holley, T2, KRE 310s, Comp HR288 w 165s, RA manifolds, 11.60@114, 1.58/60 The spare: 467, 850 Holley, T2, Edelbrock Dport 310cfm w RA manifolds, HFT 245/251D .561/.594L, 11.59@ 114, 1.57/ 60' |
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I've been looking all over the internet and the engine chart in my service manual, and I can't find a reference to a Y3 block in 1972, but it does show up for 1973. I'd love to have your source in the event I'm ever questioned about the code? Thanks!
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agreed.
the Pete McCarthy book doesn't list this, and I just tried the search which was linked, and the results said it was supposed to have a '2263 carb which we know is wrong. If 1972 was anything like 1973, then the engines which had a unitized distributor would have had a different code from points; It looks like the McCarthy book doesn't address this (but there are known deficiencies in his book). 1973 is especcially convoluted because for a given engine where the code is shared amongst all platforms (eg: 400/4bbl/auto) the codes are: early 1973/points early 1973/unitized late 1973/points late 1973/unitized
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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You know me, "Safety Forst" 68 GTO-Verdoro/Black/Black, what else was available in ‘68? Has to be longest resto in history. 69 GTO Vert-Liberty/Blue/White Top, 4spd, match #’s 68 Mustang FB-Green/Black (Bullitt) |
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Thanks for all the compliments. I am simply amazed by the condition of the interior. It looks like the Y3 engine block in a 72 Pontiac has come up before. Seems to me that the official literature for documentation purposes is simply missing this detail. As we all know they weren't going to shut down production because they ran out of YS blocks on the shelf. Thanks again.
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I can't say whether or not it's the original carb. It has a label "remanufactured by Holley." So did they have the original carb remanufactured or just exchange it, I can't say. The number is 7042264. Based on what I can find, it is correct for 1972 YS and ZS codes, but not a Y3 engine code.
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A 7042263 IS a stick carb;
it's a really tough one to find too.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Certainly an interior asking to be driven.
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I think I fat fingered the carb #, should be 7042264.
I'm not at home, here in Illinois for awhile. I not sure where I got the info, but probably from a service bulletin or possibly from this website (PY).
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates Last edited by johnta1; 08-07-2022 at 07:48 PM. |
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The 1972 YS and Y3 400s are virtually identical in every respect. The only difference I can determine is carburetor application. YS used 7042264 while Y3 used 7042274.
The updated version of this book contains an index much like Pete McCarthy had in his book and midyear-1972 codes such as Y3, and 455’s Y4 and Y5 appear in it. https://www.amazon.com/How-Rebuild-P.../dp/1613255632 |
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