[Tom Vaught]

Here is your Christmas Present

(A Picture you would like.)

Tom V.

[Bill Hanlon]

Tom;
In this case a picture needs a thousand words. Please give more info. Looks like a twin turbo Chevy 348/409 to me. Don't remember this particular combo being a factory item.

[77 TRASHCAN]

Boat engine?

[Skip Fix]

I think it was a marine version. Thanks Tom. Sometimes hard to believe folks were doing wild stuff back in the 60s!

Pat Lobb of Lobb Toyota in Allen Texas has some factory experimental 409 motors, as well as a couple of Z-11 409 cars(the first "high port" motor), factory Mopar Hemi 65 SS car and other stuff. He has a running 409 factory fuel injection motor he had to fabricate some of the missing parts and gaskets for. Even ha a conference table size set of blueprints for 409 motors. I'll have to drop him a line and see if he ever picked up one of those.

For some of you that don't know my first race/street car was a 409 Impala and still have some of those parts. So 409s and Pontiacs are my loves.

[shaker455]

lets see some of your 409's Skip!

[Tom Vaught]

Yep, Skip is correct. 409 Marine Engine with twin Turbos and a Draw-Thru carburetor set-up.

Draw-thru systems were common in the 60s and 70s on a variety of applications.

The thing that is interesting is the picture shows a production level set of hardware (Exhaust Manifolds, Turbo package, Carb Location.)

So someone, put out the effort to do it right.

Gale Banks later did a similar system for the BB Chevy engines for marine applications. His stuff was a lot prettier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1szOGfzHC2I

The 409 had the same water-cooled exhaust manifolds, draw thru carb, and custom bonnet with a pressure relief valve.
Banks was internal to his bonnet, the 409 had a plate and spring blow-off system (old school).

Tom V

[KEN CROCIE]

GOTO Google. input "Daytona marine 409. click images. This engine was 1 of 2 installed in a record holding off shore racer.

[Tom Vaught]

Thanks Ken C.
Skip loves his 409s for sure.

Tom V.

[Skip Fix]

Here you go Jeff class winner 1972 IHRA Longhorn Nationals(same race the old Monk King GT-37 or GTO won class). Same week I graduated high school. One of my employees said we look like something in the movie "Dazed and Confused. Time trials ran even with Dave Boertman's 340 Dart-granted different classes but a high shcool kid's car with a 70,000 mile short block! Put twin Holley 715s sideways pinned to open all 8 bbls at once. Hooke 2 piece headers. 15 lbs Hayed flywheel. 4.56 Munice with a Mr. Gasket Vertigate, Goodyear "cheater slicks" I drove on the street. 12.20s@108 at Dallas International Motor Speedway. track was built for '69 NHRA Nats. The M/Y Mustang funny car driven by Foster not the Danny Ongias car crashed into a Cougar funny car in front of me as a spectator.

[Skip Fix]

Here are some of the 470" I built with a '65 block I had from back then and an Eagle 4" crank Eagle rods , JE pistons, Dan Barton ported Edelbrock heads, Jardine 2" tri Ys made by the Jardines. Edlebrock intake and dual Edelbrock 600 cfm carbs on 1" spacers. Stef's pan.

I found a 64 Impala SS body less motor trans one year right outside of Ennis racing at the Pontiac Southern Nationals one year it is going into. Auto not a 4 speed though.

[Skip Fix]

Here's the body and a real SS and not made into a Low Rider!

[shaker455]

Originally Posted by Skip Fix

Here you go Jeff class winner 1972 IHRA Longhorn Nationals(same race the old Monk King GT-37 or GTO won class). Same week I graduated high school. One of my employees said we look like something in the movie "Dazed and Confused. Time trials ran even with Dave Boertman's 340 Dart-granted different classes but a high shcool kid's car with a 70,000 mile short block! Put twin Holley 715s sideways pinned to open all 8 bbls at once. Hooke 2 piece headers. 15 lbs Hayed flywheel. 4.56 Munice with a Mr. Gasket Vertigate, Goodyear "cheater slicks" I drove on the street. 12.20s@108 at Dallas International Motor Speedway. track was built for '69 NHRA Nats. The M/Y Mustang funny car driven by Foster not the Danny Ongias car crashed into a Cougar funny car in front of me as a spectator.

Which one is you in these old pics?
I love 409's and I had a chance to buy one back in the 80's and was thinking of putting it in my 70' Camaro back in 84'.

[77 TRASHCAN]

Skip, so I guess you don't have your old 64 Impala, just the recent find from Ennis? Man that Impala find is awesome?

Did you ever get to talk to Scott Burton? Maybe you all lined up against each other in the good old days?

[Skip Fix]

I'm in the white pants and T shirt second on the left holding the trophy. The trophy and the one for the IHRA Nationals I won I gave to the Texas guy that used to own the Monk King car as it won class both those races and I figured it was more historic.

I do still have the title for my original 64 guy that bought it(less motor trans, never paid me and said some one stole it from his house.

I was surprised Edelbrock ponied up the R&D to make aluminum water pumps , heads and single and dual quad intakes. Less market then Pontiacs! There is a guy making other aluminum heads and blocks. McQuillen Racing makes a TR intake and is working on aluminum Z-11 heads!

[NeighborsComplaint]

Skip, I had that same Mr. Gasket "Vertigate" shifter in my 1972 Dodge Demon 340. That was a seriously quick shifter. Eventually destroyed my second gear synchro.

Tom, the manifolds on that twin turbo 409 look like repurposed two stroke expansion chambers.

[Tom Vaught]

Maybe they do but they actually are Water Jacket Cooled Turbo Manifolds. I suppose that the external appearance would be deceiving.

Tom V.

[torqhead]

Originally Posted by Skip Fix

Here you go Jeff class winner 1972 IHRA Longhorn Nationals(same race the old Monk King GT-37 or GTO won class). Same week I graduated high school. One of my employees said we look like something in the movie "Dazed and Confused. Time trials ran even with Dave Boertman's 340 Dart-granted different classes but a high shcool kid's car with a 70,000 mile short block! Put twin Holley 715s sideways pinned to open all 8 bbls at once. Hooke 2 piece headers. 15 lbs Hayed flywheel. 4.56 Munice with a Mr. Gasket Vertigate, Goodyear "cheater slicks" I drove on the street. 12.20s@108 at Dallas International Motor Speedway. track was built for '69 NHRA Nats. The M/Y Mustang funny car driven by Foster not the Danny Ongias car crashed into a Cougar funny car in front of me as a spectator.

In the 4th pic is that one of those vertigate shifters?

[torqhead]

Nevermind, neighborscomplaint pointed it out too! lol

I still have one of those sitting in a box. I used to use it on a Pontiac Astre many years ago when I stuffed a 231 Buick V6 in it. I used the Turbo version of the motor out of a grand national but just massaged it a bit and ran it without the turbo. That Astre was so light that motor would just throw that car around like it was nothing. I used to shift that thing so hard and fast with that vertigate I actually broke the mount plate twice as they were made cheap. After the second time I made a plate out of steel, never broke it again. lol Raced that car for a year and for those that don't know it was a unibody. When all was said and done with that car and decided to send it to the scrap yard you could look from front to back of the car down the side and see it was a bit twisted... lol Good times!

[shaker455]

Skip,
Did you dyno that 409/470 and made 600 hp?
I do recall years ago we talked about the carbs....

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by torqhead

Nevermind, neighborscomplaint pointed it out too! lol

I still have one of those sitting in a box. I used to use it on a Pontiac Astre many years ago when I stuffed a 231 Buick V6 in it. I used the Turbo version of the motor out of a grand national but just massaged it a bit and ran it without the turbo. That Astre was so light that motor would just throw that car around like it was nothing. I used to shift that thing so hard and fast with that vertigate I actually broke the mount plate twice as they were made cheap. After the second time I made a plate out of steel, never broke it again. lol Raced that car for a year and for those that don't know it was a unibody. When all was said and done with that car and decided to send it to the scrap yard you could look from front to back of the car down the side and see it was a bit twisted... lol Good times!

We used to call them "The Bangshifter" ... bang, there goes your Ujoint, bang there goes your motor mount, bang there goes your synchro, etc. You never had to lift your foot off the gas to shift that Mr. Gasket unit.