[Formulabruce]

For those who keep track of the M-13's , here is a Blue one !
https://longisland.craigslist.org/ct...689260942.html

[Judge273]

Very nice restoration and color.

[bird72]

With enough TQ and HP, gearing and tranny become less critical Seriously, very nice car! Not sure why 3 speed manual is kind of looked down on, old automatics have 3 gears. The urge to put a 4 speed in would ever gnaw on one though!

[Norwood]

I like it !

[unruhjonny]

Wow!!

Thanks Bruce for posting this!

I know the add seems to imply that the guy doesn't want to talk to anyone without money, but has anyone tried contacting him?

[Judge273]

Rare 3 speed big black ball. Console free, gauges...wonder if those are JWs?

[bird72]

Originally Posted by Judge273

Rare 3 speed big black ball. Console free, gauges...wonder if those are JWs?

Gauges and tach and 3 speed seem a kind of deliberate optioning (?) maybe..... someone's preference maybe, as performance choice?

[eaglesan13]

Very cool car.

[johnta1]

Would be interesting to see the PHS.





Doesn't look like it has PS or PB.
Probably very, very low options except the Rally gages and wheels possibly?
(they could be added on during restoration)

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by Judge273

Rare 3 speed big black ball. Console free, gauges...wonder if those are JWs?

if those wheels are correct, they would be 14's - and would have to be JS's;
They do NOT look like the 70-72 15" wheels - and if the guy is correct about it being complete numbers matching and built to "concourse condition, investment grade" level, then I would hope that it doesn't have any incorrect parts...

Originally Posted by johnta1

Would be interesting to see the PHS.



Doesn't look like it has PS or PB.
Probably very, very low options except the Rally gages and wheels possibly?
(they could be added on during restoration)

in my excitement, I missed the lack of PS or PB!

Originally Posted by bird72

Gauges and tach and 3 speed seem a kind of deliberate optioning (?) maybe..... someone's preference maybe, as performance choice?

I thought much the same about my car, but dount I'll ever know if it was a stock order or a custom ordered car...
It appears to have the following options:
- Chrome dress up ("chrome decor"(?); wheel wells, doors and hood)
- Rally II's
- Recessed wipers
- Rally Gauges w/tach

... but wait - wouldn't optioning for Rally II's have included trim rings?
Maybe they were added during the restoration!?

I am pretty sure this is the very first Muncie three speed Formula that I have seen restored... at least the first one with the numbers correct drivetrain in tact.

[bird72]

wheels look 14 and should have trim rings I believe. easy add......

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thats a really well done car.
Very Small contingencies on the wheels and maybe the blue scoop insets.

Well, small unless its supposed to have JW wheels.

I know the add seems to imply that the guy doesn't want to talk to anyone without money, but has anyone tried contacting him?

He probably wouldn't mind speaking with you Johnny , being in the same club.
Maybe even share the PHS too.
Likely just doesn't want people contacting him telling that he has a 25k car and offering 22k.

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Thats a really well done car.
Very Small contingencies on the wheels and maybe the blue scoop insets.

(I saw the blue, and chose to ignore it...)

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Well, small unless its supposed to have JW wheels.



He probably wouldn't mind speaking with you Johnny , being in the same club.
Maybe even share the PHS too.
Likely just doesn't want people contacting him telling that he has a 25k car and offering 22k.

thanks for the vote of confidence, I just might try contacting him later... and will do my best to be brief and polite as to encourage a reply.

[Transamric]

Pretty nice! But that ever-present Buick air cleaner decal......................

[unruhjonny]

yeah, I looked past that too.

[Transamric]

Originally Posted by unruhjonny

yeah, I looked past that too.

At least that's an easy fix.
What's your opinion on the asking price?

[unruhjonny]

my opinion, (with no skin in the game) is that really nice 1970 Formula's seem to be all at about $40k in asking price these days, so I think he's about right...
Really nice '70 TA's seem to fluctuate more around $50-60k these days...

The three speed will hurt it compared to a four speed, but the level of the restoration would put it back up there - and the allure of it being an original three pedal car should keep interest piqued.

Maybe my philosophy on selling is off, but especially on bigger ticket items, I believe you have to shoot a little over what you really want in order to get your asking price.
So $45k is to me, a good starting point...

If the car is half as nice as it presents itself in that listing, it seems a whole lot nicer than any '70 Formula I have ever seen offered.

BTW, I messaged the seller a couple minutes ago, I have my fingers crossed (but am not holding my breath) that I hear back from him.


CRAP!!

I forgot to buy a powerball ticket before flying back home yesterday!!

[Judge273]

I wonder what Tim Dye paid for the 4K Mile Black 70 4 speed Formula?

[unruhjonny]

wasn't a value only done for tax purposes?

I understood that car was donated to the museum.

Wait a second... you mean the 433 mile car right?

I believe that estimated values were higher than this car's asking... but again, that was a special car...

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by Judge273

I wonder what Tim Dye paid for the 4K Mile Black 70 4 speed Formula?

Assuming you DID mean the 433 mile car, here are some posts (in order as posted):

Originally Posted by Ram4king

I'm in at 40-45 grand for that car. PM me . I'm not that far from you.

Originally Posted by Greg Reid

I wonder how often the car has moved under it's own power in the last 36 years?
I bet it will bring well over $50K even with a standard 400 under the hood.
Fantastic find for somebody. Great color combo.

Originally Posted by DANTIP

If it's what it seems to be, I'd be in at $50k.

Originally Posted by 71GP76TA

Depending on how well the car has been preserved... This is a $60,000 car IMO.

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

I'd be really surprised if this Formula sells for less than $80-90k unless the sale is made to a friend or a family member. $100k would not be outside the realm of possibility.

If what's under the hood adds some additional rarity, like a Ram Air III or IV, all bets are off.

Virgins are only virgins once.......

Presuming the engine oil is a couple decades old, I'd love to send a sample to Blackstone to have it analyzed for the actual additive levels that were included in the 'good' oil back in the day.

I hope that someone on here gets it. Pure history.

Originally Posted by Norwood

My original thoughts were also 40-50.

Originally Posted by 71GP76TA

I'll stick to my 60k valuation.. If the car is what it appears to be... I'd be willing to put my money where my mouth is.. black on black 4 speed with those miles...dictates the value. If the car was an automatic with a crappy color combo... It'd be a 45k car IMO..

and that's about where the speculation (& offers) ended...

It seems to me that now the '73-74 SD455 cars are out of many people's reach, the 71-72 455HO cars have been getting the loins share of the limelight for early Formulas of late, but it also seems to me that the 1970's are starting to be gaining momentum.
I am not saying that because I own one (also to be quite frank, as mine sit's, it's not worth a whole lot).