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Old 10-03-2023, 12:06 AM
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Default Timing curve rate and all-in point?

Still tuning the 400. It's a 69 400 with 62 heads. I think it's stock except for the Summit 2802 cam, RPM intake and headers. It's got a 10" converter that's a bit on the loose side, a TH400 and 3.25 gears. Stab it, and the converter flashes to 3500. 93 octane. How aggressive can i get with the timing curve, without risking pinging?

It runs pretty well now, but I'm fighting some mild overheating at cruise. I suspect the cooling system but want to rule out the timing. It's 16* base, 19* of mechanical advance, 10* of vacuum advance. MSD RTR distributor. So that's 35 mechanical plus the 10* of vacuum. The curve is kinda slow, it isn't fully advanced until 3500 RPM according to the MSD chart. The overheating I'm seeing is 2500-3000 cruise. Temp rises from 180 to 210 on the highway and slowly cools off as I slow down.

Plugs are clean and it runs pretty crisp. It's an old rebuild, lots of miles, but doesn't use oil, has good compression, clean as a whistle in the lifter valley. It had a mallory unilite with two heavy springs and a VERY slow curve when I bought the car. Is it good where I've got it or should I bring the timing in a bit sooner?

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Old 10-03-2023, 06:11 AM
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Do a search for the paper titled Spark plug reading 101 and print it off. It's by Mike Canter

You will certainly want to get what you have needed for a long time after reading that, that being a Spark plug magnafing light.

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Have you verified you’re getting the VA at cruise? Otherwise you should be getting plenty of airflow through the radiator at speed. Unless you have one of those electric fan deals with the flat fan shroud that blocks lots of the air flow.

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Old 10-03-2023, 12:37 PM
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Have you verified you’re getting the VA at cruise? Otherwise you should be getting plenty of airflow through the radiator at speed. Unless you have one of those electric fan deals with the flat fan shroud that blocks lots of the air flow.
I've verified the 10* of advance and that the vacuum advance works, with a vacuum pump and timing light. I'll have to verify the ported source on the carb with a vac gauge, but have no reason to suspect it isn't working.

The electric fans likely fit your description. Here is a link to them:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/s...SABEgLHffD_BwE

They were on the car when I bought it. I'm not a huge fan (haha) of the electrics but so far they work. Will a 19" fan and fan clutch from an AC car, fit the non-AC radiator? I have one of them I could try.

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Old 10-04-2023, 01:53 AM
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...Will a 19" fan and fan clutch from an AC car, fit the non-AC radiator? I have one of them I could try.
Yes, but some work involved. Line up the shroud at the top and note where you have to carve out a hole in the shroud at the lower passenger side for the return hose. I've done two of the big fan/shroud conversions with the 15-1/2" core radiators and the results were good. Just makes you feel bad if you are carving up a new shroud.

If everything is lined up properly you end up with just a fairly tight hole in the shroud.

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