[Tim Corcoran]

Funny thing happened at Speedworld yesterday. I took my 67 LeMans street car just to do a test and tune session. I pulled in the staging lanes and what do I see next to me? A 2004 GTO with an automatic. I thought this would be fun since my 67 runs 13's and I thought it would be a close race. The guy had just bought the car the day before and had 120 miles on it. He said that they just hit the show rooms a few days ago here in Phoenix. Well the announcer in the tower made a point of the old and new etc. Any how My car ran a 13.63 not impressive but fast enough to smoke the new GTO. Here are his numbers right off my time slip.
RT .960, guess he was reading the news paper at the light
60' 2.716
1/8 mile ET 9.884
1/8 mile MPH 77.758
1/4 mile ET 14.953
1/4 mile MPH 97.873

The guy was so embaressed that he left and was no where to be seen after the run. In fact I was even embaressed since it was a Pontiac and all.

Tim C

[Tim Corcoran]

Funny thing happened at Speedworld yesterday. I took my 67 LeMans street car just to do a test and tune session. I pulled in the staging lanes and what do I see next to me? A 2004 GTO with an automatic. I thought this would be fun since my 67 runs 13's and I thought it would be a close race. The guy had just bought the car the day before and had 120 miles on it. He said that they just hit the show rooms a few days ago here in Phoenix. Well the announcer in the tower made a point of the old and new etc. Any how My car ran a 13.63 not impressive but fast enough to smoke the new GTO. Here are his numbers right off my time slip.
RT .960, guess he was reading the news paper at the light
60' 2.716
1/8 mile ET 9.884
1/8 mile MPH 77.758
1/4 mile ET 14.953
1/4 mile MPH 97.873

The guy was so embaressed that he left and was no where to be seen after the run. In fact I was even embaressed since it was a Pontiac and all.

Tim C

[Z Code 400]

It really is hard for some people to accept the fact the old cars run as hard as they do...Robert

[trigger]

glad you smoked that chebby. That guy would've been better off letting his dog drive. Someone needs to tell him the Armour-All goes on the sidewall, not the tread.

[Mr_GTO]

Tim, if you raced NickV in his you would be the one who would have been smoked.

You are going to compare a new GTO with, based on the numbers, a novice driver. You are going to base one run of a new GTO with a 2.716 60' time as typical of what a GTO might run? LOL

Based on that it sounds like he spun the tires for 300 feet. Where is that time. I noticed you omitted it.

[The Champ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tim Corcoran:
Funny thing happened at Speedworld yesterday. I took my 67 LeMans street car just to do a test and tune session. I pulled in the staging lanes and what do I see next to me? A 2004 GTO with an automatic. I thought this would be fun since my 67 runs 13's and I thought it would be a close race. The guy had just bought the car the day before and had 120 miles on it. He said that they just hit the show rooms a few days ago here in Phoenix. Well the announcer in the tower made a point of the old and new etc. Any how My car ran a 13.63 not impressive but fast enough to smoke the new GTO. Here are his numbers right off my time slip.
RT .960, guess he was reading the news paper at the light
60' 2.716
1/8 mile ET 9.884
1/8 mile MPH 77.758
1/4 mile ET 14.953
1/4 mile MPH 97.873

The guy was so embaressed that he left and was no where to be seen after the run. In fact I was even embaressed since it was a Pontiac and all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nick's times...

R/T .154
60' 1.915
330' 5.435
1/8 Mile 8.459
MPH 79.48
1000' 11.107

1/4 mile 13.320

MPH 104.16

You're talking smack about beating someone on what most likely was the first pass they've ever made down a dragstrip in a car that only had 120 miles on it.

Yet your posted time is over 3 tenths slower than Nick's on his first day with his GTO...

[Tim Corcoran]

Hey don't jump my a**. I am just posting the facts. Maybe your buddy had a better density altitude on the day he ran his numbers. I am just the reporter. Find someone else to attack so you can feel better about the car. They guy did spin, but not for 300 feet, I had two friends there watching the run, no excessive tire spin. My car weighs 3920 and my MPH was 101.895 and the GTO was 97.873. The density altitude was around 3500 feet when we made the run.

Tim C

[The Champ]

So post the 330' times...

The 60' times were 2.716 vs. 1.915 = .801 difference

The 1/8th mile times were 9.884 vs. 8.459 = 1.435 difference.

That's over 6 tenths lost between the 60' and the 1/8th mile.

Chances are, the bulk of that difference is at the 330' time.

[Bruce Meyer]

Tim- Some people just cant accept the fact that this new GTO is overblown hype. I posted this in the Lobby and it got pulled! I was standing right at the line when this race happened. The gto didnt loose traction. The MPH tells everything. Even if he had lost traction the MPH would still be close to Nicks. If Nicks is really stock.

[wheelspin]

There was a new GTO on slicks @ Irwindale's T n T last Thurs. nite that ran a 8.8 on the motor and 8.3 on the bottle, didn't get the mph. My GTO ran 8.2 @ 84 in the 1/8th that night.

Les

[Howie]

I'll be out at Speedworld soon with my 04. I guarantee it'll put down better than a 14!

[Ryche400]

There's video on another site, of one going 11.76 on 100 shot of NOS. Damn things are pretty quick. Im sure with some tuning, tires, and a few mods, they will be as quick as some LS1 T/A's... Even though I dont really like the body style, Im sure it will grow on me.

[The Champ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bruce Meyer:
Tim- Some people just cant accept the fact that this new GTO is overblown hype. I posted this in the Lobby and it got pulled! I was standing right at the line when this race happened. The gto didnt loose traction. The MPH tells everything. Even if he had lost traction the MPH would still be close to Nicks. If Nicks is really stock. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your thread didn't get pulled, it got transfered to the appropriate area. The lobby is for other things.

It clearly states at the link on the PY Online Forums page:

THE LOBBY
Use if you don't see an appropriate forum.

Here's the link to the thread you started.

Nick's car is stock (for now) and all the details are in his thread in the 2004 GTO forum.

[mikeb]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ryche:
There's video on another site, of one going 11.76 on 100 shot of NOS. Damn things are pretty quick. Im sure with some tuning, tires, and a few mods, they will be as quick as some LS1 T/A's... Even though I dont really like the body style, Im sure it will grow on me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just based on what my friends with LS1 powered camaros are running with simple modifications I have to say the new GTO has a lot of potential. Free up the intake & exhaust tracts, swap the cam, do a little tweaking with LS1edit, put on some slicks and it'll go a bit faster than 14s.

[Tim Corcoran]

Hey Champ,

The 330 for the GTO was 6.696.

Tim C

[Bruce Meyer]

The Champ- To me the Lobby was appropiate. I posted it there for all to see.

[The Champ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tim Corcoran:
Hey Champ,

The 330 for the GTO was 6.696. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Tim

So using my earlier comparison:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The 60' times were 2.716 vs. 1.915 = .801 difference

The 1/8th mile times were 9.884 vs. 8.459 = 1.435 difference.

That's over 6 tenths lost between the 60' and the 1/8th mile.

Chances are, the bulk of that difference is at the 330' time.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The difference in the 330' times is 1.261 seconds. As I predicted, the bulk of the difference was in the first 330'.

The owner/driver of this car should have made some more passes to try and learn how to better HIS performance.

His time is more a reflection of his ability than that of the car.

I am no expert at drag racing (and have proved it on the track... ), but that is my problem, not that of the vehicle I was driving.

[The Champ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bruce Meyer:
The Champ- To me the Lobby was appropiate. I posted it there for all to see. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't make the rules here.

CCass says to use an appropriate forum if available. It's his board, he can do that.

Your post was never pulled as you claimed in your earlier post on this thread, just moved per the instructions for The Lobby.

I, for one, am thankful for Chris making this board available to all of us for the discussions that we have here.

[Z Code 400]

Personally, I will always have more interest in and respect for the cars that are built over ones that are bought.

I work as a analyst for a BMW dealer and we get M3's, M5's and a few Ferarri's through the doors every now and then. Technology is great, but BMW still doesn't make any torque.

Everything they do is with high rpm and low gears, but the cars don't bury you in the seat like a 440 Chrysler or 455 Pontiac.

They don't turn outstanding 1/4 mile times either. A very overrated, high-maintenance car.

I remember back in the 1980's when the Grand National came out. Everybody was talking about how this car would run 12's off the showroom floor and the local dealer, ***gart Buick in Porterville, CA. gave one to his boy to drive.

They would indeed go fast, but the poor oiling system and self-aligning rods in the 3.8 kept spitting the lower end out of it on an almost monthly basis.

I see a lot of fad cars in my current occupation. They just don't excite me like the early iron...Robert

[Bruce Meyer]

The Champ- The real indicator is the MPH. Its pratically independent of ET. He would have had to smoke the tires halfway down the strip to affect it. He didnt. A little squeal off the line is all I heard. That could have been Tims car. These are realistic times for this car for your average driver considering it was an automatic and the weather was bad. about 97-99 degrees out and DA running about 3500-3700 ft. Had Nick V. brought his new GTO out to Speedworld that day. I would have put my money on Tim.