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Originally Posted by johnta1
No Scott Rex?
Or at one time Jack Gaydosh?
I'd say Scott has done a lot for the Pontiac community.
Lil Jack? He hasn't done anything yet except buy a set of heads?
Other guys have bought as good of a set of heads, if possibly not better.
Jeff Kauffman's dragster not on there?
JCYou's head sounds like it's making going to make a ton of power?
Have you talked to Kauffman's about their Hemi head or going by the usual crap spewed on these boards?
This is probably the crux of the problem.
One listens to a few people and don't try to get the real facts or try the new products to see if they actually work.
So they spent $100,000 to make their HP, but you could do it for less using their engines?
If one of them spent $100,000 on our Pontiacs they could make Pontiac as fast?
I really doubt money buys all this HP.
Being dedicated to finding this HP is what drives most to do this.
If one doesn't take chances on doing things no one else has done, we'll always be 'stagnant'.
One can't listen to these guys that say this head won't run or why hasn't it ran a '7' yet.
Or if one is waiting for someone else to do the R&D and spend the money so they can just bolt it on, we'll stay 'stagnant'.
The Kauffman's provided probably the best head made for Pontiac, and because of some 'petty' things, a lot of people won't have anything to do with it.
That's being 'stagnant'.
The CV1 and probably CV2 heads were basically killed in infancy by these same 'petty' people.
Looks like the same for the RAV head of Lynn M.
Even though the Visner head is basically a knock off of the Warp6 hopefully it will get some builds.
(since the main complainers of the Warp6 won't have to complain about the Visner it probably will)
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John,
You are certainly correct about Jeff's dragster and JCYou's recent engine, I had a brain fart and just plain forgot about those guys.
The others, not so much. I'm not talking about who has done the most for the Pontiac community, because that can be construed a number of different ways. i'm talking about who has taken the Pontiac engine itself and made design improvements or quantum leaps in the form of design changes.
Scott Rex, Langer, Kinsler, Welter, Curt G, me and Rod, Steve Dale and countless others may have made an impact on the community, but we haven't really changed the Pontiac engine in and of itself; we have all simply taken what was currently available and pushed the available parts to new levels. The ones I mentioned have really thought outside the box and made actual design changes and improvements to the original Pontiac design....look at what Eric did with the nitro-specific V head. Look at what Mellott and the Kauffmans have done with the Warp6 head and billet block....tons and tons of great changes there!! Look at what Mark has done on the NA front with a Warp 6 N/A application....something way outside the typical Pontiac NA Design. Same for LilJack!! This is what I'm talking about when I say "pushing it forward"....I'm in no way referring to spending a ton of money to go fast, I'm talking about the ones I mentioned being the ones to take the gigantic step to actually attempt to improve upon the original design, and not be content to work within those confines. The ones buying the cutting edge parts are the ones pushing the hobby forward, ultimately. And it all eventually trickles down to the rest of us. And I think the list is growing...I see the CV heads as being a great design that only require track time to solidify their position as a game changer.
I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting, and I apologize for that.....my point is not to make up some sort of "list", and it's certainly not to start a fight about who has done what and why some of us can't do more than we have. The point is to put out there my own perspective of what is holding the Pontiac racing community back, and compare the evolution of other platforms and powerplants to that of the Pontiac.
TQ