64 GTO PHS
64 GTO PHS Baltimore Plant
This appears to have been a 78X 3spd 4bbl Is "RB" the correct trans code for 3spd ? Seem to remember Baltimore coding is all wacky ,,, I think. This car is only physically presenting Power Steering and Power Brakes Console , Back-Up Lights , Manual driver side mirror and some 65 style standard seatbelts Is there anything missing or added compared to PHS ? https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=1650%2C1275 |
It has a complete 78XW engine about 100,000 units too early
And a 4spd Nice solid looking convertible Skyline Blue , Blue Interior , White Top https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-pontiac-gto-78/ |
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Shame there’s a Chevy air cleaner lid on it instead of the lovely original chrome unit with the short snorkel.
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b-man refresh my memory if you can .
Where is the casting date on 64 - 4bbl intake - - rear - or bottom And casting dates on 64 - 9770716 heads - - underneath covers - or below the exterior rail In case the seller wants to get down to brass tacks Those air cleaners have always been few and far between. Once in a while I would luck up on a 326 HO car with a painted 4bbl version of it. The top piece was the same on all the 326 2bbl - but painted |
Intake date codes are on the bottom of the intake and head date codes are under the valve covers.
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Thanks Bart
I doubt the seller will want to get that deep. But he could still check the block date on a clean engine pretty easy. |
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I have it at about perfect for it. :confused: I also can't find my notes on the tranny code, but should be in the GTO 'Bible'? (that is buried at the moment) :confused: |
The EUN for the original 78X on the PHS / PoP imprint should be perfect.
326254. ( 06B body date) The EUN for the current 78XW that is installed is about 100,000 units earlier than that. 225103 |
Just found an old 2009 post from John V that "RB" is for 4spd Wide Ratio
Still hunting info Maybe the X on that particular PoP from Baltimore was generic And it should be a 4spd 78XW engine code. |
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Hmm... I copied the info when that it 1st came out and my pic seemed to show a '5' start, your pic in post seems pretty clear. To me the eun I had fit good, 526254 for a 6B body. |
John
The whole point is the engine now in the car has EUN 225103 That isn't anywhere close whether the PoP number starts with a 3 or a 5 The engine in the car starts with a 2 It doesn't resemble the number on the PoP in any form. As in it is not the born with engine. Car was claimed to be numbers matching |
Evidently John V. is the only one left standing who can cross the Chevy code numbers on these.
I googled everything I can think of and can only find RPO codes such as C60 D55 M40 for Chevy Code 303 and Code RB both equal 4spd So it was not a 3spd car 78 XW would be proper block code with a 3K / 3.23 posi Have requested seller to verify the block casting date and gave instructions. |
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I see what your getting at. ( I just wrote the numbers from POP) :o Agree 100%. :) |
Using a couple of John V.'s previous deciphered Baltimore 64's
So far have this : 303 = 4spd 31D = 389 4bbl – GTO use only 321 = Posi 342 = ( this box is usually where power brakes and power steering codes are) the #2 should represent power brakes 350+366 are combo codes = White line Tires 44C = (this box is usually where radio equipment goes) the C should represent the AM pushbutton radio with manual antenna 62A = Console Still 5 more Codes to account for 431 452 461 482 531 I see Back Up Lamps , Dual Speed Wipers , Driver Rearview Mirror That will be 3 of the 5 I also see Pwr Steering , but that should probably make box 34 into a 3 instead of a 2 (combo of #1 and #2 = 3) maybe. |
From John V's article in Smokes:
box 30 is for 4 speed wide ratio box 44 - C: Pushbutton AM radio– manual antenna (Pontiac Sales Code 392) box 45 - 2: Windshield washer w/dual-speed wipers (Pontiac Sales Code 421) box 46 - 1: Tinted glass– windshield only (Pontiac Sales Code 532) box 48 - 2: Custom wheel discs (Spinners, Pontiac Sales Code 521) box 53 - 1: Ivory convertible top box 62 - A: Floor console (Pontiac Sales Code 601) :) |
Thanks John -- Great !
Anything on #431 - possibly back up lamps or driver side rear view mirror |
HD Air cleaner possibly for 431
That's actually the sales code for 431. Box 43 - 1: Back-up lamps (Pontiac Sales Code 471) :confused: |
Process of elimination
431 has to be Back Up Lamps I went ahead and posted it . Thanks John Car is really really honest overall The steel blue-gray accents on ribbed dash trim, heater control, console, all looks original unrestored. Pretty tight on a convertible 60 years old . |
I got that wrong about the ribbed dash trim , color has been removed.
That's a real pretty color combo , I think it will sell. Lot of RNM endings on BaT lately. |
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