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chaosrob 08-22-2023 08:52 PM

Update on the 1971 455 HO car I bought from Franks
 
Been picking away at it slowly but surely as time/life allows. A couple people have asked me about it so I thought I would show updates to where I am now.

Frame/undercarriage/suspension/engine/tkx trans/rear end are all done. attacking the rest as I have an hour here or there.I'm just a hobbyist, not a professional doing this in his garage. I kept the original parts that were important but many of the common parts I did get rid of, they were pretty trashed and a dime a dozen. I know it will not be everyones choice and taste what I am doing but it is mine and I am building it to enjoy.

First pics are from when I first got it early this year. I was blessed to start with a really solid platform
https://i.imgur.com/i08NRhL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/D3blWja.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rxIhQ10.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7Rdvh28.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CsRGMzn.jpg

After
https://i.imgur.com/PhmuafE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ko3Y12W.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3Atbtdh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4avWXGj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7rnMGwP.jpg

JSchmitz 08-23-2023 06:10 AM

Nice!

KSZR 08-23-2023 06:34 AM

Where did you get your belt system?

chaosrob 08-23-2023 07:32 AM

Thank you
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Originally Posted by JSchmitz (Post 6449596)
Nice!


chaosrob 08-23-2023 07:32 AM

I bought it used from a member here. It is a march system
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Originally Posted by KSZR (Post 6449603)
Where did you get your belt system?


OCMDGTO 08-23-2023 07:55 AM

Looks great, quite a before and after

Half-Inch Stud 08-23-2023 08:16 AM

Yea, that is progressing nicely.

Skidmark 08-23-2023 08:39 AM

Huge difference. Looking good.

chaosrob 08-23-2023 10:05 AM

Thanks all

nas t eh 08-23-2023 10:29 AM

I have an observation regarding that rear sway bar and it’s design. I don’t understand how it can be effective given its attachment point locations.
I would think a pair of them should be attached to the body of the car to provide enough leverage to control body lean.
I don’t need a bunch of answers here sidetracking this build thread, it’s just an observation, not a question.

The car looks great and it’s looking nearly finished from what I see, I’m very happy for you regarding this as I have my own project that is nearly done after many years of little progress. Keep up the hard work and please keep posting pictures.

chaosrob 08-23-2023 01:51 PM

I do not understand this post at all. If you have issues with their design you should post a thread with that as your topic. To post negatives and then add that you do not wish to see rebuttals to it in my update thread is ridiculous. Did it make you feel better?
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Originally Posted by nas t eh (Post 6449639)
I have an observation regarding that rear sway bar and its design. I don’t understand how it can be effective given its attachment point locations.
I would think a pair of them should be attached to the body of the car to provide enough leverage to control body lean.
I don’t need a bunch of answers here sidetracking this build thread, it’s just an observation, not a question.

The car looks great and it’s looking nearly finished from what I see, I’m very happy for you regarding this as I have my own project that is nearly done after many years of little progress. Keep up the hard work and please keep posting pictures.


nas t eh 08-23-2023 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chaosrob (Post 6449677)
I do not understand this post at all. If you have issues with their design you should post a thread with that as your topic. To post negatives and then add that you do not wish to see rebuttals to it in my update thread is ridiculous. Did it make you feel better?

I guess there is no room to comment when something looks odd. My point was, If you want to explain the mechanics of how that rear bar functions - send me a PM, if you want to give me crap for the post... send me a PM. And this was meant to be directed at all the other followers so we would leave the build thread alone, far too many get sidetracked.

Like this one is now.

Sorry,

Since it is your thread, if you want to explain or give me more feedback and mess up your thread, feel free. If you want the moderators to get rid of my posts on your thread, I have no issue with that either.

chaosrob 08-23-2023 04:40 PM

not really, I would think that would be more geared towards the tech section rather than bird dropping in an update thread. Regardless I have attempted to break the link to the pictures and I will vacate this forum, using it only as a resource for parts. I will leave the thread starting and posting to the more mature, opinionated with a lack of self control. have fun with the thread
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Originally Posted by nas t eh (Post 6449708)
I guess there is no room to comment when something looks odd. My point was, If you want to explain the mechanics of how that rear bar functions - send me a PM, if you want to give me crap for the post... send me a PM. Leave the build thread alone, far too many get sidetracked.

Like this one is now.

Sorry


West Coast GTO 08-23-2023 05:42 PM

I thought this was the lobby where questions and comments were allowed except for politics ( that would be the Clubhouse).

After that note, OP, your progress looks amazing and I would like to ask if you liked the rear cover ( Perfect Launch) and felt that it will help the rear stay together?

Stuart 08-23-2023 05:59 PM

Chaosrob, don't leave because of one odd comment. Nas T eh, you could take up your question with Hotchkis, I think they're pretty well recognized as knowledgeable about suspension design. From their website:

The Hotchkis Extreme Sport Rear Sway Bar for your 1964-1972 GM A-Body is designed to eliminate the hard mounted factory design rear bar allowing for better rear suspension articulation in extreme usage vehicles. This system allows the rear sway bar to slightly pivot reducing fatigue and stress placed on the sway bar in the factory design. Handling and traction are dramatically improved while the adjustable design allows for tunability for specific car set ups. This system is highly recommended for high horsepower cars or any GM A-Body owner looking for improvements in handling and traction.

nas t eh 08-23-2023 10:03 PM

I thought Hotchkis knew what they were doing too, but looking at the bar in that now gone picture had me scratching my head.

What I remember from physics class so very long ago. For the lever to work the fulcrum needs to be fixed in place. When both ends of the lever and the fulcrum all move ...not much happens.

In no way was it a personal attack to the builder or his car.... however that is not how he saw it.

Drag Star Le Mans 08-24-2023 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosrob (Post 6449677)
I do not understand this post at all. If you have issues with their design you should post a thread with that as your topic. To post negatives and then add that you do not wish to see rebuttals to it in my update thread is ridiculous. Did it make you feel better?

Hey chaosrob don't let this be the defining moment here. Things are always dicing on open forums. You just gotta work and weed thru it. Threads get derailed all the time but come full circle. I'm guilty of it and shame on me! I was looking forward to watching your progress. The response that put you off was odd and I didn't understand the why/where he was coming from either.

Skidmark 08-24-2023 08:55 AM

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...d.php?t=854558

I noticed the OP can get upset quickly.
Here is another example. Post #3 and #4.
Pretty much comes out of nowhere.

One thing I've learned is if you hang around here long enough, you'll likely get your feelings hurt at some point. It comes with the territory.
For me the good by far out weighs the bad.

JSchmitz 08-24-2023 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nas t eh (Post 6449639)
I have an observation regarding that rear sway bar and it’s design. I don’t understand how it can be effective given its attachment point locations.
I would think a pair of them should be attached to the body of the car to provide enough leverage to control body lean.
I don’t need a bunch of answers here sidetracking this build thread, it’s just an observation, not a question.

The car looks great and it’s looking nearly finished from what I see, I’m very happy for you regarding this as I have my own project that is nearly done after many years of little progress. Keep up the hard work and please keep posting pictures.

There's nothing wrong with that sway bar setup. The rear end is the anchor. It's kind of the inverse of your front sway bar. Transfers force from one side to the other. Similar to a factory rear bar. Just uses end links for a little more flexibility.

nas t eh 08-24-2023 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSchmitz (Post 6449869)
There's nothing wrong with that sway bar setup. The rear end is the anchor. It's kind of the inverse of your front sway bar. Transfers force from one side to the other. Similar to a factory rear bar. Just uses end links for a little more flexibility.

I’m not seeing it, but thanks.


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