Non Ethanol Gas
 

Apologies if this has been posted before.

I found a site for searching gas stations. It's user-supplied info so any leads need to be checked out. But in my case, it worked great! I found a station close by that sells the stuff. In the sage words of mgarblik "Anything with a carburetor should run this stuff"

$4.99 a gallon at this station. Not terrible...way better than the prepackaged stuff at the hardware store.

https://www.pure-gas.org/

Eric

Hi Eric: Ya I have seen this one and had actually posted on gasoline with no Ethanol here in our area. Alberta, Canada. We still have Esso, Shell and Petro Canada with 91 octane with no ethanol. There is a cheap way to check for Ethanol in gasoline. You take a small water bottle and put about 1" to 1-1/2" water in it. Draw a line at that water lever. You then fill the bottle couple inches from the top with the fuel your testing. Need room to expand and shake. Shake the mixture up slowly as the bottle will pressure up some. Let it settle after shaking for approx 5 minutes. If the fuel contains ethanol it will mix with the water and can be seen very clearly as the water level on the bottle will now be higher. Our 91 fuels here have no Ethanol. Our 94 from Chevron is ethanol free. Most all other 94 octane fuels here have ethanol.
When we dynoed our engines here they made the most power on 94 fuel that contain ethanol. We run ethanol gas in the summer months but never let it sit in the carburetor for long periods of time.

Race Trac stations in this part of the world has REC 90 gasoline for about $.70 more than unleaded regular.

Here in Manitoba, Canada, our unleaded premium 91 used to be ethanol-free. In January of last year, the Manitoba government passed a law requring all fuel sold to contain 10 percent ethanol. For my smaller engines, it is easy to use a pre-packaged non-ethanol fuel, but it costs the equivalent of 40 dollars USD per gallon. These small engines don't consume much, however, so it is almost tolerable.

The GTO's on the other hand...

Are you sure this is still true about premium being ethanol free.
I noticed the signs on the pumps have changed in the past few months here in Edmonton on those brands of gas(Shell and Esso). They used to say may contain ethanol on the lower grades, but not premium, now the pumps all say may contain ethanol.

Pretty sure as I run the Esso 91 in my car and small engines. Will have to do a test again. I'll let you know. I don't like the Shell premium gas. I test all 3 last summer. Thanks for the heads up.

I check Esso and Petro Canada today. 91 octane. No Ethanol.. dam sideway pic.

You didn’t waste any time checking that out.
After visiting their websites earlier today, I sent request to both Shell and Esso asking if their premium fuel had ethanol in it. If I get an answer back I’ll post it.

Ya easy to do. Thanks. The Esso is the best in my opinion

We have no ethanol 91 R+M/2 here in OK. I havent found 93 in several years.

Typically, the no ethanol 91 "Super" is a MIXED at the pump with 87 octane E10 garbage to make 89 octane " mid grade". No Thanks!

Here's a HEADS UP for those filling up in central part of the country. As many know, CASEY's General Stores/AKA CASEY's is big chain up & down the center of the country.

Have made it into Casey's quite a few times over the last 25 years, ESP in Iowa, iL, MN, & N Misery. One thing I've noted is Casey's likes to play this GAME with E15. You'll pull in off the Interstate & see a very competive price, grab the nozzle, thinking you're filling up with E10. OHHHH NO000, the pump is not marked well... I fell for that once in N Iowa. My older SUV did not run that well after that, & less than 100 miles down the road, I pulled off & topped off with no ethanol Premium at a price of over a dollar more a gallon than the station's E10.

About a year ago Casey's came into the central OK market & spent 38 M buying up the leases of a bunch of under performing ex Phillips branded stations. Most likely a few other prev branded stations as well. Quickly, Casey's bought several expensive corners around the metro & built several very small but spartan C stores with their pizza cooking operations. Caseys seems to pride theirselves in their cheap pizzas. At these brand new stations, they introduced the same GAME with E15. Installing an 88 octane fuel dispenser line, right next to the 87 octane marked E10 marked hose. Needless to state, the 88 octane disoenser is E15, but was not labeled! By being sneaky & offering the 88 octane fuel as their "leader price" fuel out on the big sign @ the street corner they sucker motorist in. Folks lined up to buy their crap E15 at 12-15 cents less a gal than their own 87 octane E10 & often nearby big competitors, like 7/11 that only sell E10... What a great corporate citizen Casey's is :(

Not having the pumps marked correctly is against OK's state law. So at least This one Casey's location gets called in on to State Corporation Commission. Inspector goes out, & tells them the 88 octane has to be marked as what it is... About a week later, some Caseys flunkie makes it to the station I'm well acquainted with & labels the pump, not on the big dispenser button that states 88 octane, but several feet higher where no one looks. Technically, these pumps are now in compliance, though hardly anyone sees the "may contain up to 15% ethanol" label way up high. Unfortunately the joke is on the folks trying to save a few bucks. Many folks driving older beaters.

In nearly every vehicle, it is a fact, they will not get the same mileage on E15 as on E10. I cked the owners manual on my wife's 2022 RA4 Hybrid & it states not to use higher ethanol content than E10. Personally, my family & many of my friends will not fuel up at a Casey's.

Heres another great Corporate Citizen... LOVES Travel Stops. Loves began in Watonga OK, not far from my Granddad's farms & ranch. They have become HUGE, with truck stops & big stations all over the country (hate that term).

If you drive a diesel pickup, something to be forewarned of. LOVES sells a BIO DIESEL mix. Many of LOVE's stations have a separate BIO tank, where the BIO mixture awaits to be mixed with straight diesel from the transport rigs. This BIO DIESEL mixture is partially thanks to a contract with at least one of Americas largest pork & chicken producers. ALSO, thanks to the SWAMP in DC with LOVES now having received Billions in Fed subsidies for their BIO crap. The bottom line: the effluent produced & mixed into their road diesel seems to take out the fuel filters quicker on diesel engines. I've had a chance to look at the log books that several friends keep with fueling histories of their diesel powered equipment. Amazing, how these construction company owners totally quit fueling up with the BIO DiESEL, & went to straight diesel, and how their fuel filter life also was also extended. Something to think about when making those long trips on the highways & needing Diesel. This easily can be followed in newer diesel pickups where fuel filter life is noted in the array of feeds you can punch up on the dash monitor.

I just did a little searching for the pre-packaged stuff.
Lowes and Tractor Supply both carry it and it's $28 a gallon. Ouch!

Eric

The local Quick Trip near me has 90 octane Non- Ethanol for $3.91 per gallon

https://locations.quiktrip.com/

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Unlike ethanol, bio diesel has other benefits to your motor parts.
When they started pulling sulphur out of diesel there became a need to substitute a lubricant back in to protect parts like the high pressure fuel pump. Since the fuel companies don’t put anything or enough lubricant back in to replace what the sulphur was doing, consumer needs to. I used a product called Lubricity but Howes is also good. I’d rather replace the filter more often than one of those pumps at $2000+ And bio diesel has lots of natural lubricant.

Rural King is $19.99, still way too much though.

They're building a new Sheetz store right off of State route 41 and I 70 across from the Springfield Loves Truck stop. The Pure gas listing says many of the Sheetz stores sell 90 octane gas, right now there are no listings close to me that sell it so I'll be checking it out this summer to see if they have a dedicated pump for E-0% fuel. I've been buying 40 to 1, 2 cycle mix at Rural King for my trimmer, and chain saw because they're so much easier to start, and run better with it than E 10 mixes, plus no storage problems over the winter.

On a side note, I just bought 2 of the 5.5 gallon race style fuel jugs at Rural King this week for $21.99, much nicer to use than the crap no spill govt required nozzles that are right around $25:

https://i.ibb.co/vjL2XKY/fuel-Jug.webp

Link: https://www.ruralking.com/catalog/product/view/id/88647

They come in yellow, white, and red, just used them yesterday to haul 10 gallons of diesel to the house, and put it in one of my trucks, easy peasy, compared to the crappy no spill, that I inevitably spill, when I'm using them.

Mixing 2 cycle oil in with the low sulfur diesel will protect the pumps on the older full mechanical engines. My 93 K3500 has a mechanical pump, and I used the Walmart 2 stroke, after I ruined the pump with the low sulfur fuel. Same as when they removed the lead from gasoline, and we started having lubricity problems, the low sulfur tends to be a drier fuel than the older diesel blends.

The bio diesel also jells at a higher temperature in the winter compared to straight diesel.

Stop teasing us and confess....how much 2-cyle oil per gallon of diesel?

You mention using it on older diesels. Any problems with newer ones?

Eric

I live in the country now and there is a Marathon gas station, (26 pumps) that sells NON Ethanol Gas for $3.23 per gallon. 87 octane but they also have the 90 octane stuff for $3.60 per gallon. They are about 6 miles from my house, on the road I travel every trip I make to the city.

I personally would never mix toluene with gas or mix other gas (like aircraft fuel) when the No Ethanol pump is so easy to use.

Tom V.

One ounce to a gallon, is what I used. comes out to 128 to 1 ratio.

As far as newer diesels, there is a post on a forum about additives that add lubricity to ULSD diesel here:

https://www.dieselplace.com/threads/.../#post-3870887

I have never owned a newer diesel, so I can't comment as far as practical knowledge.