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slowbird 11-13-2020 09:25 PM

Got my PKMM d-ports
 
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I got a great deal on a set of KRE 310cfm cnc ported d-ports awhile ago. But after getting them i wasnt too impressed with the port work done by the cnc and the exhaust port in general i wasnt crazy about. So i gave them to Pual K to clean up the intakes and get the exhaust where i wanted it. He managed to increase the average flow by 20cfm on the intake and 25cfm on the exhaust. Thats a pretty good average increase from .100 to .700. Our Grand Prix will be getting these, it'll be interesting to see how the preformance changes vs our 240cfm iron d-ports.

firechicken 11-13-2020 10:00 PM

Are you going to swap heads with no other changes? Same cr?

Would be an interesting test for sure.

slowbird 11-14-2020 08:34 AM

That was the plan, but not sure now.

ponjohn 11-14-2020 09:08 AM

Good stuff.

So they flow in the 330 range now?

slowbird 11-14-2020 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ponjohn (Post 6195788)
Good stuff.

So they flow in the 330 range now?

Not quite. The 310cfm advertised was only 290cfm. They flow 325cfm now.

prostreet64 11-14-2020 01:16 PM

Would definitely like to know how this swap works out. Thinking about doing the same thing on Curtis' Bird. How much performance increase with just a head swap? Probably have to richin' up the jetting.

Scott Stoneburg 11-14-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by slowbird (Post 6195784)
That was the plan, but not sure now.

I'm no expert but if staying at the same compression ratio, wont it lose a little due to the heat characteristics of aluminum. Ive always thought you need to bump up a little comp.
when going to aluminum from iron

slowbird 11-14-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Stoneburg (Post 6195850)
I'm no expert but if staying at the same compression ratio, wont it lose a little due to the heat characteristics of aluminum. Ive always thought you need to bump up a little comp.
when going to aluminum from iron

In theory but theory isn't reality. Hot Rod magazine did a great back to back test on a sbc with identical heads from dart except iron vs alum. Their finding was no difference between the two.

ponjohn 11-14-2020 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by slowbird (Post 6195854)
In theory but theory isn't reality. Hot Rod magazine did a great back to back test on a sbc with identical heads from dart except iron vs alum. Their finding was no difference between the two.


Increased flow probably offset the compression "loss" with the al. head.

TCSGTO 11-14-2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by slowbird (Post 6195854)
In theory but theory isn't reality. Hot Rod magazine did a great back to back test on a sbc with identical heads from dart except iron vs alum. Their finding was no difference between the two.

The Engine Masters TV show tested identical port aluminum vs iron heads and if anything the aluminum made more power down low and both were identical at the peak. Another one of those old hot rodder myths busted.

slowbird 11-14-2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ponjohn (Post 6195863)
Increased flow probably offset the compression "loss" with the al. head.

There was no flow difference

pastry_chef 11-14-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by slowbird (Post 6195893)
There was no flow difference

Maybe this is the one.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp...er-heads-test/

Steve C. 11-14-2020 08:24 PM

Does the manufacture and type of flow bench used make a difference in reported numbers ?

KRE at one time did not use a SuperFlow test bench on their cylinder heads. Unless they changed types. Years ago it was a J.K.M. flow bench. The JKM uses an averaging velocity tube to measure flow.
I also know David Vizard when he tested a cylinder head for me it was a Quadrant Scientific Flowlab 520 bench at the time. It was a laminar flow orifices. Both are different methods.


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slowbird 11-14-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve C. (Post 6195934)
Does the manufacture and type of flow bench used make a difference in reported numbers ?

KRE at one time did not use a SuperFlow test bench on their cylinder heads. Unless they changed types. Years ago it was a J.K.M. flow bench. The JKM uses an averaging velocity tube to measure flow.
I also know David Vizard when he tested a cylinder head for me it was a Quadrant Scientific Flowlab 520 bench at the time. It was a laminar flow orifices. Both are different methods.


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In this case Paul flowed head before and after porting so it's a good comparison of the gains

Formula8 11-17-2020 11:41 PM

Paul does nice work!

Bob Timmermans 05-29-2022 07:25 AM

Before or after ?
 
The port pics are they before or after ?
And are they gasket matched ?

slowbird 05-29-2022 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Timmermans (Post 6345495)
The port pics are they before or after ?
And are they gasket matched ?

The pics are after Paul ported them. Intake port is whatever size KRE makes them for their 310cfm port. Exhaust side is matched to gasket.

Steve C. 05-29-2022 09:53 AM

This is the advertised intake gasket...

TIP-120230
1.20 x 2.30 openings .060 thick
These gaskets are used on 310 cfm KRE D ports and as cast KRE High Ports


https://tinindianperformance.com/pon...%20gaskets.htm





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Bob Timmermans 05-29-2022 12:17 PM

Mm . . . I measure the width on the intake side of my KRE D-ports that are gasket matched to Felpro 90205 I get 27.5 mm ( 1.08") and I already ran into the pushrod hole twice.
In the picture the bridge between the ports doesn't seem to have lost any material so going an extra 3mm. (0.12") on the pushrod side , i would think this would certainly cause problems ?

In the pics I can see that the valvecover bolt hole is also been broken into.

equidr 05-29-2022 04:25 PM

On both my 295cfm and 300 cfm SD ported D-ports the valve cover hole is open. I use studs with sealer for my valve covers


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