EV truck real world test
 

Stumbled onto this ,,,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y ,,,guy trying out his new EV truck and trying to use it for what its made for.

The 1930 Model A truck is far more useful, better looking, and better built....

Towing with electric vehicles has been brought up several times recently, and the discussion always ends up in the Clubhouse. Please keep this civil or the same thing will happen.

I guess I missed those. First time Id seen someone tow with one and was surprised the outcome was that bad.Dont want to cause an argument.

I am bothered by the battery constraint called "Depth of Discharge". and there are always plots required to characterize the
battery life vs DoD cycles.

I have not seen the Li-Ion Truck or car battery Battery life vs DoD. Only for Spacecraft.

The very important assumption for Batt Life is good active control of uniform battery "charge balance", during the longk discharge cycle.

My wife asked if we should sell most of our cars now since everything is going electric and there may not be as many gas stations in the future.

I personally think we are 20 years away from all electric if not more. Look at how many cars you see on the road from the mid 2000’s. They are all 15 years old. New car sales today are what 5-10% electric? A gas powered 2023 vehicle bought new today will most likely still be running in 2038. And will need gas stations.

For the very first time, new electric car sales broke 5% of the US market in the 2nd quarter of this year.

It only took artificially skyrocketing gas prices due to constraints on domestic fossil fuels, a shortage of new ICE cars available to purchase and a ton of misinformation by climate extremists to achieve this.

Electric cars have some benefits for some uses. But so do ICE's. Some people understand that and are willing to let both exist. Others, not so much.

One thing is for certain. To achieve a much higher percentage of EV sales, dramatic improvements will have to be made to our electric grid to support the charging of these EV's.

And with 61% of of all electricity generated in the US coming from fossil fuels, what is being accomplished with the mandate (current or proposed) of 100% EV sales by 2035?

Electricity prices are already up about 16% over last year. With increased demand, additional plants will need to be brought online and with those construction costs passed on to consumers, electric rates will continue to rise dramatically.

I don't believe that in 12 model years (the 2023's are already out), that any state will be able to handle 100% EV sales with their electric grid.

It's just not feasible and it's just not needed.

It's all academic until they come out with new battery technology. I suppose that there will be advancements that will create more range from the current battery that's available. But just the weight and size of the current battery sums up the notion, that the tech needle has barely moved from prototype to early adopter status.

I heard that they are working on a solid state battery. Also read that you will buy a car and after it is junk that the battery will be taken out and put in your next car. Guess we will see. Not me I am too old. But I have a 2012 Chevy volt and love it. Also a new blazer.

To me its all I seem to hear about is the ev vehicles taking over but if you look around we are no where's ready as far as recharging efficiently on longer trips and towing any amount of weight. It would seem there's alot more needed to make it feasible. The cart seems to be in front of the horse.

The test I saw was 92 miles at 7300# who wouldn’t want one.

Electric vehicles are nothing but a novelty at this point in time. I have zero interest in owning one. I would consider owning one if I could fully charge in in 5 minutes and drive 500 miles.

Many years ago I drove a competitors vehicle that was very much like the Lightning truck in that the range was not very much.
This was a light weight car and in the beginning stage of knowledge on electric vehicles. A Very Quiet, Smooth, vehicle.
Like riding on a electric trolley car.

That was my first and only experience with electric vehicles.

So for years the companies looking at electric vehicles worked to improve the battery technology for farther travel distances
between recharges.

The difference is WORK. A gas powered street car gets very good mileage on the road at constant speed even with 4 people
in the vehicle.

Same deal with a electric vehicle carrying 2 people where they need to go.

Kind of like a couple going to a restaurant for a meal. Not very much gas required.

So then you have a retirement party, and you have 30 people at the same restaurant
eating the same food in the same time period. The cash outflow is quite a bit more that comes out of your wallet in the same
time period to pay the bill.

I personally will never pay for a retirement lunch for 30 people again so the cost outlay was a one time deal.

So now we have a guy making a video about pulling a trailer and a old car that actually could FIT ON THE TRAILER.
Apparently the truck had no issues achieving 70 mph except that the gage said the truck was consuming electricity at a higher rate, DOH!

Drag Cars, when in a given mode, consume gas at a much higher rate too, guys, under given conditions.
A Drag Racer should be an expert on knowing how much gas and how many trips to the trailer for more gas in "x number of passes".

So while the Video made me smile, it said 3 things:

A) 99% of the people out there do NOT own a trailer and do not Tow even a light weight vehicle with the vehicle of their choice ANYWHERE.

B) 99% of the people out there want to own a vehicle that gets them (usually 1 or 2 people from point a to point b in a reasonable
amount of time. 70 mph in the truck seems to me to be a higher than average speed for millions of city dwellers. They will
never own a trailer, (see A).

C) Where is most of the pollution in a given country? In Highly Populated areas.
NOT in the farm country in Ohio, Kansas, Missouri, or Iowa.

So the reason for the Electric Vehicles is to reduce the amount of Emissions in highly populated areas, not to make a video on
towing a beautiful old classic car from point a to point b AT 70 MPH to demonstrate that when you put a load on any propulsion
device you use energy (Electric or gas) quicker.

But thanks for posting the video, it demonstrates how little people understand physics and how much they want to be the
STAR OF THE SHOW if even for only a few minutes.

Have a good day.

Tom Vaught, Engineer. (But not a electric vehicle engineer, I love gas engines, but all problems need different solutions
not more videos.)

Tyler Hoover has built a pretty successful career portraying someone who doesn't know anything about cars (that's the character he plays on screen, I assume he's a lot more knowledgeable in real life.) His Hoovie's Garage YouTube channel has 1.42 million subscribers (he calls it the dumbest automotive channel on YouTube), he has a TV show called Car Issues on the Motor Trend channel, and has been a writer for Jalopnik and Autotrader. In a typical episode he'll go out and buy the cheapest supercar he can find (a Lamborghini, Corvette, etc.), drive it home, and then discover that there are all kinds of expensive problems that need to be fixed by his ace mechanic. His videos should really be considered for their entertainment value only.

I do understand the concept of the more work you do the more energy you use. Just saying they've got a ways to go . I live in maine and between plowing snow with my tundra and driving 1.5 hours hauling 2 snowmobiles in obviously cold weather wouldn't make for a ev at the moment to be very practical. I don't know how the cold affects these batteries either. I'm not sitting somewhere and waiting a half hour for a recharge. You would think the technology for all these problems would be worked out 1st. I guess if you want a truck just to drive around you're all set.

Most youtustuff I consider mostly entertainment only.

So, the Lightning Truck is like a poorly thought product, like a Lincoln Truck. Dare suggest a Caddilac Truck.

In Alabama, every neighbor has tow capability for their: hay bales, horses, cows, chickens (many), Fast BOATS, Slow boats, pontoon boats, sail boats, and every sort of construction and maintenance biz you can imagine.

RVs are seen, but seen sitting unmoved.

It takes steps, some times VERY, VERY, SLOW STEPS to get to a target. So we agree that a next day solution is out there.
Ford, GM, and others are taking "Learning Steps" to make the concept better with each attempt.

So it may never happen in your lifetime. I know on the turbo stuff, we did testing for all vehicles (with oil engineers present)
to survive -40 degree cold starts. Very few have seen -40 degree cold weather except in Alaska/ Canada.
But there were customers who lived in that location.

Just like some live in the desert parts of the USA.

The problem is having a solution to a problem that does not involve Emissions testing. Electric Vehicles does not fit that slot.
High performance gas engine do fit that slot. Be happy you can delay the removal of all high performance engines in the country.

The video was just a example of a guy who wants to make videos for his
benefit, as Stuart mentioned.

Tom V.

This reminds me of an ad I have from the 60’s talking about how you eventually will not need a map- your car will be able to tell you where to go. It only took 50 years?

Good Example.

Tom V

I concerned about people towing with these electric trucks. When you drain a battery at a fast rate it's because there's a large current flow. High current flow equals heat. With battery fires already an issue, will this bring the numbers way up? We have all felt a battery with a rapid discharge, I can't imagine how many cycles it will take for there to be an issue.