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spectramitch 04-30-2024 05:22 AM

Milling Intake
 
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My intake sits a little high with .062 gaskets making it so the thin area on the bottom of the port doesn't pinch down on the gasket. The intake is a ported Victor.

How do you determine exactly how much to mill off each intake flange?

johnta1 04-30-2024 06:12 AM

What's it look like without the gasket on?
I've used a thin paper gasket before.


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spectramitch 04-30-2024 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6500886)
What's it look like without the gasket on?
I've used a thin paper gasket before.


:confused:

With no gasket it sits pretty good. Intake is slightly lower than the head ports.

spectramitch 04-30-2024 07:04 AM

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This pic is from the first time I took it apart after buying it. Looks like it has always sat like this. See how the bottom is barely pinching the gasket.

johnta1 04-30-2024 07:38 AM

Without the .062 gaskets making it fit decent then I would mill .050/.055". (.062 would put it at where it is with no gasket)


Might need little more but hard to put material back on.


:D

chuckies76ta 04-30-2024 08:27 AM

Can you post a better pic of the bottom of the intake runners. It doesn't look like there is much sealing area. I would test fit the intake without the valley pan in your way for starters to see where it lines up.
Also, The holes for mounting on the intake need to be ob-longed so the intake once mounted can kinda find it position on the heads. It's hard to tell what's going on with the washers in place on the bolts. When mounting the intake, take a rubber head hammer and tap on the carb base area to seat the intake. You can test fit with and without the gaskets see where the intake lines up.

spectramitch 04-30-2024 03:43 PM

Milling Intake
 
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Originally Posted by chuckies76ta (Post 6500911)
Can you post a better pic of the bottom of the intake runners. It doesn't look like there is much sealing area. I would test fit the intake without the valley pan in your way for starters to see where it lines up.
Also, The holes for mounting on the intake need to be ob-longed so the intake once mounted can kinda find it position on the heads. It's hard to tell what's going on with the washers in place on the bolts. When mounting the intake, take a rubber head hammer and tap on the carb base area to seat the intake. You can test fit with and without the gaskets see where the intake lines up.


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Its about little less than 1/8” wide at the bottom of runner opening. I looked through port with my bore scope and all the ports match good with no gasket. I think I need to wack off about .050 a side

johnta1 04-30-2024 03:47 PM

Have the heads been milled?
If so, maybe they didn't mill the intake side?


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Formulas 04-30-2024 04:11 PM

In this case wouldn't it require an angle mill ? Just adding or removing gasket thickness moves the intake up or down.

stated problem is less clamp load on port bottom as in incorrect angle or mechanical interference with valley cover

chuckies76ta 04-30-2024 04:11 PM

If you remove material off the runners, the intake will sit a bit lower. You still should be ok as there's space from the valley pan.
Well, you know the gasket are .060 thick. You could try installing the intake with only one gasket see where your at. I guess if you take too much off they make thicker gaskets. Tin Indian I think has them. Those are really good pics you posted.
My intake I cut at the bottom like yours to accommodate the valley pan. If you take .030 a side off that's like one whole gasket. I wouldn't do .050 a side. That's seems like alot. Another thing I did was use the feeler gauge between the heads and intake as I would snug the bolts up a bit to see if there was contact. Tedious process but tells you what's happening.

chuckies76ta 04-30-2024 04:15 PM

Another thing I was thinking, leave you gaskets hit the valley pan when you install them. You might have to cut a bit off to line up the posts, But I find it help hold the gaskets in place.

spectramitch 04-30-2024 05:03 PM

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Heres 2 pics with and without gaskets. I do need the intake to “fall” down more.

johnta1 04-30-2024 05:41 PM

With his gaskets off, and it fits good, that would be equivalent to what it needs to be milled off each side of intake. (best would be the intake side of heads but they are still attached I believe)


As to the tray hitting, he could chamfer the intake bottom some if need be to keep it from sitting all the way down. (or even trim the tray some in the ares of the intake ports, which is what I did on mine)


:)

spectramitch 04-30-2024 07:52 PM

Can anyone measure how thick the intake flange is on a un cut edelbrock victor dominator? I am just wondering for peace of mind to see if this one was never cut.

chuckies76ta 04-30-2024 08:57 PM

I have 2 victor intakes here that are new and the flange is roughly .500 thick or 1/2".

spectramitch 05-01-2024 05:33 AM

Thanks Chuckie this one measures that also. Looks like either the intake was port matched to the heads with no gasket taken account for or somewhere down the line it was mated to a different block.

steve25 05-01-2024 05:42 AM

It's odd here that there's a gap difference between the top and bottom side with a gasket in place, this leads me to question weather the heads have been not just Milled, but angle Milled?

chuckies76ta 05-01-2024 05:49 AM

Your welcome. I was thinking you might want to separate the water cross-over from the intake. It helps to align the intake with the ports alot better. I realize you know that. Just thrown ideas your way.
The other thing I noticed in your pics was that the top part of the flange has alot more material than the bottom suggesting that maybe who ever ported it moved the openings downward. So cutting a-bit off each side will lower the intake to the port opening. And then the angle that has been mentioned comes into play.

Scott Stoneburg 05-01-2024 11:37 AM

I wouldn't separate the water cross over until after the milling process, the machine shop may charge extra for setting up the 2 pieces. (Ask me how I know..lol)

Tim Corcoran 05-01-2024 03:51 PM

I bought a new Victor several years ago and it sat too high with a Felpro .040 gasket. I checked the port alignment without the gasket and it looked perfect. So I put a small amount of silicone around the ports and water cross over and ran it liked that for many years and it never leaked. Currently I am building a new engine and if it fits the same on the new engine I won't bother to mill the intake I will use the same process. Besides, gaskets are over rated.


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