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15bhardwick 09-18-2022 01:02 PM

Lean Carb Help
 
Got the car to go straight with an airbag. 1.55-1.56 60 foots.
Having a carb issue now.

Had 81 front and 87 rear jets in it.
Checked plugs and they are dangerously lean. Jetted fronts up to 85.
Still looked lean. Car runs clean up to 5500 in first and second but if I take it to 6,000 it stutters and chokes. In high gear it crosses at 6100 and pulls clean the entier time in high. Problem is only in first and second above 5500 rpm. I know years ago the air bleeds had been messed with and changed for a different motor. Is this my problem or do I just jet the carb up more. Air was 5,000 ft and it was lean...

AG 09-18-2022 01:46 PM

What was your fuel pressure during the run?

15bhardwick 09-18-2022 02:11 PM

7-8.5 lbs

AG 09-18-2022 03:39 PM

Do you have a wideband AF ratio gauge ?

Tom Vaught 09-18-2022 03:59 PM

1) Please post what carb you are dealing with.
(List # if it is a Holley carb would help) The number is on the airhorn.

Tom V.

15bhardwick 09-18-2022 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught (Post 6373303)
1) Please post what carb you are dealing with.
(List # if it is a Holley carb would help) The number is on the airhorn.

Tom V.

4781-1

prostreet64 09-18-2022 04:26 PM

Seems odd that the problem would be in 1st and 2nd gear but not in 3rd when the load is greatest on the engine and the fuel demand is highest. I would expect just the opposite. If you are running pump gas it is hard to 'read' the plugs. My experience with unleaded fuel is that even with a/f ratio in the 12s the plugs will be very clean and white after a full pass.

Half-Inch Stud 09-18-2022 04:53 PM

I'm no Holley expert but 81/87 sounds dangerously lean. my 1050 went from 86/86 to 91/90 to run hard.

15bhardwick 09-18-2022 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG (Post 6373297)
Do you have a wideband AF ratio gauge ?

I don’t but have thought about getting one. It’s most noticeable in 2nd gear. Shift to 2nd at 60ft cone so can’t notice much then.

15bhardwick 09-18-2022 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prostreet64 (Post 6373309)
Seems odd that the problem would be in 1st and 2nd gear but not in 3rd when the load is greatest on the engine and the fuel demand is highest. I would expect just the opposite. If you are running pump gas it is hard to 'read' the plugs. My experience with unleaded fuel is that even with a/f ratio in the 12s the plugs will be very clean and white after a full pass.

110 octane Sunoco

Yes I figured this would be worse in high.
This is what’s leading me to believe the air bleed size is causing the problem. In high with all the load on the motor the signal is strong enough for the 45 bleed? I know it’s a dangerous game messing with air bleeds if you really don’t know what your doing

15bhardwick 09-18-2022 08:25 PM

Took the 6.5 power valve out of the front. Blocked it. Put 90 jets in it all around.
Measured the main air bleeds. They are 45 all around. Been looking and seeing stock is closer to 30.
Car is running way better than I expected. 11.15 at 118 mph in 4500 DA air and 20 mph head wind shifting at 5500

Not bad for 12.5:1 compression
Iron 62 d ports
Solid flat tappet cam
TRW flat tops
850 DP
and an old warrior intake

Tom Vaught 09-18-2022 08:26 PM

You did not post if you had a power valve in the carb (front or rear and what the values were).

I see you did that now.

Also where the mixture screws were in the metering blocks and the Transfer Slot vs the Throttle Blades were.

Did you say that the carb had been monkeyed with in the past???

Need a lot more info to help you out. Mixture screws 4781-1 should not be a 4 corner idle carb.

Tom V.

AG 09-18-2022 09:29 PM

Those main air bleeds are killing your signal to your main jets and causing the lean condition. I use 28 main air bleeds in my Dominator and still use 93 front and 98 rear jets with a front PV.

Tom Vaught 09-18-2022 09:40 PM

45 is a massive air bleed opening.

Tom V.

15bhardwick 09-19-2022 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught (Post 6373362)
You did not post if you had a power valve in the carb (front or rear and what the values were).

I see you did that now.

Also where the mixture screws were in the metering blocks and the Transfer Slot vs the Throttle Blades were.

Did you say that the carb had been monkeyed with in the past???

Need a lot more info to help you out. Mixture screws 4781-1 should not be a 4 corner idle carb.

Tom V.

Just idle mixture screws on the front in metering block. Yes carb was on a different motor dynod 15 years ago and had air bleeds changed and adjusted then. Rear power valve was already blocked off.

johnta1 09-19-2022 08:14 AM

If both power valves are blocked, I'd jet up at least another 5/6 jet sizes to begin with?

Using new plugs to check the plug reading?

:confused:

15bhardwick 09-19-2022 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6373448)
If both power valves are blocked, I'd jet up at least another 5/6 jet sizes to begin with?

Using new plugs to check the plug reading?

:confused:

Yes plugs have about 7 passes on them

Dragncar 09-20-2022 12:33 AM

6 lbs, no more.
8.5 lbs is way too much. There are reasons Holley regulators come set at 6 lbs.

johnta1 09-20-2022 05:59 AM

What fuel pump are you using?
It needs volume also. If it can't flow 1 gallon of gas in 30 seconds, look for another pump.


:confused:

15bhardwick 09-20-2022 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6373731)
What fuel pump are you using?
It needs volume also. If it can't flow 1 gallon of gas in 30 seconds, look for another pump.


:confused:

Magnafuel 300


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