Very nice 67 Sprint FB on BAT 4-speed with A/C
 

Very nice looking original Firebird. Already bid up to $24,000 with 6 days to go on the auction. I like it but out of my wallets range I am afraid.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...c-firebird-36/

Beautiful car. With AC and everything makes it a sweet ride.
What is a Delta Mark 10 CD ignition?

Delta Products Inc Mark 10 is a Capacitive Discharge system that connects between your points and your coil. It converted DC to AC, stepped the AC up to a few hundred volts, converted it back to DC and then used the points to trigger an SCR that fired this higher voltage through the stock coil. It had a switch on the side that put the regular system back in place if the Mark 10 failed. Delta sold this part through various outlets including as a put it together kit through the Heathkit Corporation.

In the early 70s I had a friend who built a kit version and couldn't get it to work. He gave it to me. I opened it up and cleaned a few cold solder joints. Put it in my 65 Chevelle and then moved it to my 77 Honda Accord once it was out of warranty. Worked great until I got rid of the Honda in 1989.

It looks like the ignition upgrade (very user freindly on an A/C equipped OHC-6) and the rear sway bar are the only noteworthy modifications to the car, and I suspect they were both added in the 1967-69 time period. I would love to own this one!

Very nice car indeed. A few things need to be “fixed” to make totally correct. I think they are at top dollar or very close.

Apart from being a convertible it's hard to envision a more desirable Sprint; minty California body, rare 4 speed, AC, rally gauges, nice colors, custom interior, factory paint rally's, unmolested. Rear mount antenna option is a nice esthetic touch too!

All I would do is get rid of whatever is causing it to sit jacked up in back, remove the aftermarket ignition, paint the grilles correctly and run a thin white or redline tire on it.

Funny to see so much stuff hanging off an OHC engine bay, I'm used to seeing my engine bay with manual everything and no AC. The AC, power steering and especially the smog pump really fill that engine bay. The fact that the smog pump survived is astounding! I would have yanked that the day I bought the car new in 67. That's a hell of a lot of weight hanging in front of the front wheels.

I am guessing it has air shocks on it, the mono leaf springs look worn out and almost flat.

As for the aftermarket ignition, I would keep it. If you have ever changed the points on an A/C equipped OHC-6 you will appreciate it!

Didn’t think of that, sort of like the upper passenger side alignment shims on an AC GTO I guess!

No such problems with mine. I just replaced them on my new 1bbl OHC (no AC) this morning, literally took 2 minutes plus 2 more to fine tune the dwell.

Got stupid and placed a bid on it this morning, but my bid is about my limit on this one, so I doubt I will end up with it. Wish me luck.

It figures that I sold off all of my 230 spare parts years ago.

I have plenty of spare Cammer parts Jeff! I will support you if needed.

My son asked me about the hood tach and I told him that's the real deal. 6500 rpm redline.

Thanks Rob! Hopefully I will need them.

I actually still have an aftermarket 67 Sprint Hood tach sitting on the shelf. Yup the 6500 rpm is a real deal.

Question to any 67 Firebird owners (I have never owned a 67 before) does the 67 rear axles have the mounting ears for the upper control arms used on an A-Body car? I just noticed in pictures 76, 77, & 78 that the axle on this car has the ears for the upper control arms. I don't remember them on any of my prior 68-79 Firebird rear axles?

Yes. For years I never knew what they were for.

"6500 rpm " 230 cid only. Tall tach was 67 only, sure looks original/faded/crumbling.

I thought that rear sway bar might be aftermarket but it looks like it has been on there forever.

Lots of stuff going on in the rear axle area. I am used the A bodies which are wide open compared the the Birds.

That is a very nice looking car. Good luck getting it!

Never heard of a rear anti-sway bar on these cars. Has the 2 radius rod bars which is correct for the Sprints with a manual. I have a 67 Sprint with AC and it looks correct.

Even has the "Sprint only with AC" 7 blade radiator fan, next to impossible to find. Don't damage it, you will never find another.

Only delta I see is the shifter and they disclosed that already

The only other thing I thought of is the tailshaft (no pictures) for the transmission. Not sure how they mounted the Hurst shifter with this tailshaft. Also can't confirm it has the damper weight on the end of it.

Yes Jeff the ears are there for the A body applications. The center casting was shared and carried into early 68 model year on the FB. No factory rear sway bar on any 67 FB. The shifter bezel is 68/69 style also. I can help you get it correct if you purchase it and or desire.

Thanks all, I have never owned a 67 or early 68 Firebird apparently. The 68 and 69 birds did not have the control arm mounts on it. I really like the car even with all the odd ball 67 only parts on it.
I just checked my NOS stash, and beleive it or not I still have a NOS 67 Sprint with A/C fuel pump & high idle solinoid. Maybe I was meant to have this car, fingers crossed!

And if I get it I will be in touch Rob, Beleive it or not I still have the transmission counter weight from my old 69 manual trans sprint bird.

Just doesn't feel right going by camerjeff on this sight and no longer owning a cammer! I have owned them almost without exeption every year from 1976 until 2019 when I sold Lilbird

My Solstice coupe will be for sale if I do win this one.

Question
 

Did they use a FLEX fan on the FB w/AC?
I always thought they were all steel.

It’s a 7 bladed flex fan w/o any clutch unique only to Firebirds with the OHC. One year only I believe. The picture on BAT looks correct. I have never seen one for sale on EBay.

Yes they did, they used the same fan on the OHC-6 Tempest's & Lemans with A/C, even the 1bbl cars. I have used the 7 bladed a/c fans from Chevy trucks from the 70's with 250 or 292's also. They are almost the same, I had one on my 66 Lemans that came with a damaged original fan, no one ever could tell the difference unless I told them.

You could get A/C on 68 & 69 1bbl OHC-6's, just not Sprints.

Just noticed your picture. It looks close to that but there are no notches. It is an odd diameter size compared to other Pontiac’s, much smaller. I’ll try to snap a picture tomorrow when it is not dark out.

I stand corrected, looks like 67-69 Firebird and 66-67 Tempest with OHC with AC.

This is the Factory Fan on my '66 Sprint W/AC
I've never seen a Flex fan on any of the OHCs with AC.
Not to say it's not correct just that I've not seen one.

Good luck on the purchase...

Well I didn't meet the reserve, but i contact with the seller. Maybe we can work out something we both can live with. He really overpaid for the car when he bought it IMO

I don't think its going to happen, the owner wants $35,000 for it. I think he's nuts. I made him my final offer he is thinking about it. But now he is now talking about taking it to a Florida auctionwith 4 or 5 other cars this spring.

I told him the body and interior look very nice, but at 104,000 miles I am sure the drive train and suspension are about used up. But thanks for all the support. I will let you all know about the final outcome. But I am not holding my breath.

He will never get anywhere near $35000 for it. A very nice 68 Sprint FB Convertible that sold last winter at auction, only brought $27,000. I knew that car personally and it’s last two owners. This is the current market.

Agree, 35K is way too high. I actually thought your bid was a little too high.

So did I by about $2500.00

I would be surprised if he finds a serious buyer willing to pay $30k or more.

It is a whole lot easier to find someone willing to overpay on a V8 car.

Well believe it or not it looks like we made a deal at my final offer but it won't be final until early next week. And yes I think I offered $5000 to much, but it is still several thousand less than what the seller claims he paid for it this spring.

Hopefully the body and interior is as nice at they look in the pictures.

Congrats!

Here is some solace about overpaying, If I look at my cars they fall into two categories, the ones I am glad I bought because they were nicer than expected, the ones I'd perhaps not buy if I could redo the process. In either case I don't recall what I paid.

Much better to overpay for a quality car than to get a below market deal on a turd.

That car is a gem, minty So-Cal body, factory 4 speed, factory AC, sweet color combo, short of being a ragtop you've got the most desirable Sprint car out there in terms of both condition and desirability.

Thanks north, Those are the points that made me want the car, Clean California Sheet Metal, and very nice interior, plus the A/C & 4-speed. I can't imagine there are many if any other examples left in close to original condition.

Looking at the pictures again I see the Oil Pan has been repainted (in the wrong color of Pontiac Blue) So I wonder if it has had some bottom end work done? Or more likely removed to change a leaking gasket. It will be nice to own a cammer again, Sold my 69 Bird almost 2 years ago now.

Now I have to get my Solstice Coupe ready to sell. Its spot inside will soon be taken.

Congratulations on acquiring this vehicle. It's just a beautiful car. I don't believe that one could buy a project and fix it up for the same price. Not to mention the potential pitfalls of restoring that we are increasingly subject to. The white on red combination is crisp and sporty.

Dumb Question, it just occurred to me this car does not have the Sprint Stripe on it? Was the stripe an option on 67's? I am fine with it either way, I think they look great on some color combo's and not so much on others.

Congrats! reminds me of my old '67 Sprint but that had a red interior.
PM sent on that Solstice.

Jeff
I am really glad to see you will be getting the car.
I am not sure I have ever seen one as original as that.
I would guess that it is hard to put an exact value on all or mostly original cars, as opposed to a restoration with lots of repop parts installed.
Congratulations and enjoy the “new” car!
Chris

Congrats on the car. A while back I tried to estimate the number of Sprints with AC and came to a very small number. I have seen one in person ( my own car) and only a few pictures, yours being one of them. Regarding the stripe, it was an option. When I get around painting mine I will add one to my car. Love the look.

This will be my 3rd A/C Sprint, my other 2 were A-Bodies, a 66 Lemans Automatic, and a 67 Tempest 3-speed. I should have kept the 66 but it was so slow compared to my other cars at the time. And the Tempest only had AC, tinted glass, and an AM Radio as options. It was a nice car, but it needed interior work and I was not prepared to pay for the custom seat covers and door panels it would need.

I have also Seen Fred Simmonds 67 4-Door And Jeffs 66 Lemans together at Norwalk a few years ago. I don't think I have actually seen another Firebird. But I have seen a few 68/69 1bbl A/C Firebirds in the past.

Well the car was delivered yesterday, but I am in Tennessee for work until the 24th. So my Wife and her Father got to take the 1st test drive around the neighborhood. He says everything but the hood tack seems to work. Looks to be original paint with 104K miles worth of stone chips & small door dings. 1 small dent in the passenger side rear 1/4. So far it sounds like I will be happy with it.
I will post some pictures when I get home. Then you all can tell me what else isn't stock under the hood, besides the Radiator hoses, thermostat bypass hose, and the ignition system. I also see the oil pan has been repainted the wrong color of Pontiac blue (looks to be 78 & later GM Blue to my eyes) Starting to get a little geeked about it!

Posted the wrong pictures, Duh, those are the are the car being loaded by the shipping company. This is the 1 picture my wife sent me of it in the driveway.

I would say the FIL owes you one.

Congratulations on the very nice addition to the collection.

Well I got my 1st look at it a couple of hours ago, it is what they advertised it a 104,000 mile survivor with a few after market & replacement parts. So I am bassicly happy. I am confused about the Carb (see my seperate post if interested) and a few other things don't work like the AM Radio, the high beam headlights (but the dash indicator lights up). one of the horn buttons on the steering wheel & the winsdshield washer. Nothing major.

Most urgent mechanical issue is the brakes, acts like only the rear drums are working, and the rear portion of the master cylinder is dry. So probably a leaking wheel cylinder or 2. But I won't know for a while.

Broken things are the drivers side lap belt female cover is missing, the latch still works & the passenger side cover is cracked, thats about it. So really not bad for a 50 year old Firebird. I will post some more pictures later this weekend. Bummer that the brakes need work, I wanted to do a bit more of a test drive before the salt hits the road.

Also I did not know Hurst made a 4-speed floor shifter for the Saginaw 4-speed? The original shifter is in a box in the trunk.

Sounds all like minor stuff! No rot, no collisions, no knocking engine… the rest is tidbits!

Interesting that hurst made aftermarket shifters for those saginaw’s. My 69 sprint has the factory hurst shifter but it has the rubber bushes rods like on other factory hurst applications. Is the hurst shifter on your car a factory 69 or an aftermarket unit without the rubber bushings?

My shifter works really well but the Saginaw 4 speed was a lot of grief to get sorted it. It made grinding noise when downshifting into second and it too several openings and finally a bunch of NOS gears and shafts etc to get working right.

Apparently it’s a common problem on the Saginaw 4 speed, the cluster gear and the reverse gear are really close so any kind of wear in syncros or shaft end play leads to undesired gear contact.

I'm glad you're happy with the car. My only gripe would be...since the seller was asking "top dollar" for the car some of those nit picky issues should have been sorted or at least divulged...especially the brakes. We're all looking forward to seeing more pics and finding out more about the car. Thanks for sharing.

A few Pic's, I found the brake issue today, the Right rear wheel cylinder is leaking, I ordered 2 new cylinders & rear brake shoes today. The good news is all the brake hardware & flex lines look new! I have no idea what make the added rear sway bar is? Any Ideas?
The Heat and A/C work! And it looks to have new A/C Lines installed, it has the wrong flex fan installed, it has an aftermarket 6 blade unit. Why anyone would replace the original 7 bladed flex fan I have no idea. Also the drivers door hinge roller needs to be replaced. All small items, except for the brakes, that issue kinda ticks me off.