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gtohurstjudge 02-12-2014 11:51 AM

Corvette Museum Disaster
 
It's all over the news that a giant sinkhole opened up in the middle
of the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green and swallowed up 8 corvettes.
We can now add this to things to worry about when displaying your car!

400 4spd. 02-12-2014 11:55 AM

From U.S.A. Today


BOWLING GREEN, Ky. — A sinkhole formed Wednesday under the National Corvette Museum here, swallowing eight cars, according to its executive director.

Some time before 5:30 a.m. CT, the sinkhole started to form, authorities believe. By 5:39 a.m. power in the museum went off and police were called, Executive Director Wendell Strode said. The incident originally was thought to be a fire.

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When emergency personnel got to the museum, they discovered a sinkhole 40 feet wide and 25 to 30 feet deep, Strode said.

"It's pretty significant," he said.

Bowling Green — about 60 miles northeast of Nashville, Tenn., and 100 miles southwest of Louisville, Ky. — is at the edge of a karst region where caves, springs and sinkholes are common. The main entrance to Mammoth Cave National Park is about 30 miles northeast of the city, but that cave system has more than 400 miles that have been explored.

The National Corvette Museum will celebrate its 20th anniversary in August. Of the eight cars that fell into the hole,the museum owned five and General Motors owned three. GM's Corvette plant where present-day Corvettes are manufactured is across a highway less than a half mile from the museum.

Employees at the museum still are working on a list of cars involved in the incident, which occurred inside the facility's iconic spire called the Sky Dome, Strode said.

Emergency personnel allowed museum staff to remove only one car in the Sky Dome, the only surviving 1983 Corvette, he said. It had not fallen in the hole.

Engineers have been called in to assess the situation.

"Before we do anything, like remove the other cars, we want that assessment so we know if there's been any structural damage to the Sky Dome," Strode said.

The museum is open Wednesday but the Sky Dome will be off limits, he said.

"We'll try to get back to business as usual as soon as we can and keep moving forward," he said.

A monetary estimate of damage done to the museum and the vehicles involved had not been determined early Wednesday.

Mattman 02-12-2014 12:06 PM

Are they fracking in that area or have they drained any underground water reservoirs if there are any around there?

Alvin 02-12-2014 12:10 PM

For the "it didn't happen unless there's pictures" crowd:

http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/im...nkhole-2-1.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/im...nkhole-1-1.jpg

gtohurstjudge 02-12-2014 12:12 PM

It's my understanding that the area of the museum is covered with underground
caverns, and a friend of mine who displayed his Corvette there for a few months said that
there is an old Giant sinkhole near the Museum building that sits near the parking lot.

Alvin 02-12-2014 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtohurstjudge (Post 5132615)
It's my understanding that the area of the museum is covered with underground
caverns, and a friend of mine who displayed his Corvette there for a few months said that
there is an old Giant sinkhole near the Museum building that sits near the parking lot.

The layout
http://www.torquenews.com/sites/defa...tte_museum.jpg

Alvin 02-12-2014 12:16 PM

New photo
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-conten...te-599x345.jpg

69goatboy 02-12-2014 12:17 PM

The way the Vette crowd is, I can see that in a few years from now we'll see:

"1 of 8 Corvettes with certified and documented sinkhole damage. Only $10,000 more than a non-sinkhole damaged vehicle."

77 Canamman 02-12-2014 12:22 PM

I feel kinda bad for that black/red '61-'62 Vette. The C4's on the other hand, what a good place for them!

David Jones 02-12-2014 12:25 PM

Thank goodness they were just Corvettes......

mrrat1 02-12-2014 12:48 PM

some rare Vettes down the drain....heres a link!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/12...cmp=latestnews

The Boss 02-12-2014 12:56 PM

HOLY ****!!!

GET A MACHINE & GET THEM OUT!!!

Alvin 02-12-2014 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 5132663)
HOLY ****!!!

GET A MACHINE & GET THEM OUT!!!

Not so fast there Bossman! ;)

Take a closer look at the broken beams and piers hanging "in the air" not so sure anyone else should even stand where the photos were taken till shored up and safety tied off in case of continued collapse...

lugnutx2 02-12-2014 01:05 PM

Gives a "hole" new meaning to "survivor car"

77 Canamman 02-12-2014 01:05 PM

Per the Fox story:

Quote:

It is with heavy hearts that we report that eight Corvettes were affected by this incident," the museum said in a press release.

The museum said the cars are a 1993 ZR-1 Spyder and 2009 ZR1 "Blue Devil" on loan from General Motors; a 1962 Black Corvette; 1984 PPG Pace Car; 1992 White 1 Millionth Corvette; 1993 Ruby Red 40th Anniversary Corvette; 2001 Mallett Hammer Z06 Corvette and a 2009 White 1.5 Millionth Corvette.

Strode told the Courier-Journal that emergency personnel allowed museum staff to remove the only surviving 1983 Corvette, which was at risk of joining the other cars in the sinkhole.


Alvin 02-12-2014 01:18 PM

From the museum

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http://corvettemuseum.blogspot.com/2...-corvette.html

Sinkhole Collapses at National Corvette Museum

We received a call at 5:44am from our security company alerting us of our motion detectors going off in our Skydome area of the Museum. Upon arrival it was discovered that a sinkhole had collapsed within the Museum. No one was in or around the Museum at the time. The Bowling Green Fire Department arrived on the scene and secured the area. The Fire Department has estimated the size of the hole is 40 feet across and 25-30 feet deep.


It is with heavy hearts that we report that eight Corvettes were affected by this incident. Those cars include:
1993 ZR-1 Spyder on loan from General Motors
2009 ZR1 “Blue Devil” on loan from General Motors

The other six vehicles were owned by the National Corvette Museum including:

1962 Black Corvette
1984 PPG Pace Car
1992 White 1 Millionth Corvette
1993 Ruby Red 40th Anniversary Corvette
2001 Mallett Hammer Z06 Corvette
2009 White 1.5 Millionth Corvette

None of the cars affected were on loan from individuals. The Skydome exhibit area of the Museum is a separate structure connected to the main Museum. A structural engineer is now on-site to assess the existing damage and stability of the surrounding areas. The Museum is closed to the public for the day to allow us to carefully assess the situation. We will keep everyone informed as we know more.

With the 20th Anniversary celebration, Grand Opening of the NCM Motorsports Park, and the National Corvette Caravan coming August 27-30, we’ve got a lot to be excited about in 2014, and look forward to getting the Skydome repaired and reopened very soon.

The National Corvette Museum is the ‘Gateway to All Things Corvette’ and a member-driven, 501(c)(3) non-profit foundation. Weekly news on the latest Corvette developments, racing updates, event features and raffles are available by subscribing to “NCM eNews” at: corvettemuseum.org/ncmenews. Dedicated to the mission of celebration, education and preservation, the Museum is open seven days a week, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. CT - located at Exit 28 on I-65 in Bowling Green, KY.
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Media Contacts:
Wendell Strode, Executive Director – 270-467-8814
Katie Frassinelli, Marketing & Communications Manager – 270-467-8846
Bob Bubnis, Communications Coordinator – 270-467-8805
Posted by Corvette Museum at 7:33 AM
Labels: bowling green, ky, national corvette museum, sinkhole

GTO68FXSTC98 02-12-2014 01:32 PM

I haven't liked Vettes since 1967, so in my opionion, there was only one loss, the 62'.

Old Goat 67 02-12-2014 01:44 PM

I just told my son (Chevy nut), I ain't going to Bowling Green with him anytime soon.

The Boss 02-12-2014 01:51 PM

Seriously guys, you can't look at this and not ache a little!

Lightfoot 02-12-2014 01:59 PM

'84 PPG 'pace car' whoopeee.........

I could care less about the black '62.
Only one I'd be interested in is the '93 Ruby Red 40th.

Old Blue 66 02-12-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 5132714)
Seriously guys, you can't look at this and not ache a little!

The 62 is a loss. The others are too but if I never saw them, meh. Those cars don't do much for me. But I get what you're saying. Is does make you cringe a bit.

Alvin 02-12-2014 02:30 PM

Best quote from Corvette Haters thread:
Quote:

Respectfully, I don't know what the back story is, but you've got issues and a fiberglass car is not the cause . . . . . http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-g...te-haters.html

2manyponchos 02-12-2014 03:10 PM

Damn guys. Why the snark comments? Don't care what make, model, steel, glass, plastic...

This sucks. Glad no one was injured and no personally owned cars were lost. I know of more than one GTO club that has had cars on display at the Corvette museum throughout the years as specialty displays.

72projectbird 02-12-2014 03:20 PM

Those poor cars.

I hate how I see this story on other car specific forums, and they all comment on how "at least they're not such and such cars". Really? So if they were cars that you cared about then it would be a bad thing, but because its not its just whatever.

Tunas73TA 02-12-2014 03:54 PM

Sorry for the loss of any collectible car,

BUT

Lets start with the jokes:


What do you call 8 corvettes at the bottom of a hole?

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A good start!


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GT182 02-12-2014 03:54 PM

Act of God..... NO insurance coverage for you.

And The Pontiac God is smiling..... "I don't get mad, but I just got even with Chevrolet". :D

Craig Parker 02-12-2014 04:02 PM

I've had several corvettes. Hate to hear the bad news. I'm sure most of us know, we shouldn't worry much about material things anyway.

necdb3 02-12-2014 04:12 PM

Hate to think that if something happen to one of my Pontiacs that someone would be laughing or saying "it's just a Pontiac." Someone, somewhere treasured those cars, even if they were owned by the museum.

ponchjoe 02-12-2014 07:09 PM

What if it were the Pontiac Museum, all you crap artists would change your tunes then. Have a little self control and empathy for the hobby. Sheesh.

Old Blue 66 02-12-2014 07:21 PM

Here yo can see the 62 clinging for dear life... Of the four I can see, Ill bet the 62 and the 09 Blue Devil might be ok with minimal damage. Weird how you cant see any of the other four. They must be buried. Now that I see pics, as they say, the s**t just got real. It is sad. Just glad it happened in the middle of the night and not during a tour.

Here are pics from the museum website. https://plus.google.com/photos/10414...569?banner=pwa

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...o/IMG_0301.JPG

Old Blue 66 02-12-2014 07:39 PM

Drone footage. Start at 1:50. You can see six of the cars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FG9...1LzacC&index=2

If you go to the museum website you can watch a lot of video footage. Including the surveillance video that caught the whole thing happening. Its clear that six of the cars are visible. Two must have been buried.

R68GTO 02-12-2014 07:42 PM

There's also a video out there from a security camera showing just the beginning where 2 Vettes dropped in the hole first.
Our company built a plant just south of BG in 1993. Multiple sinkholes opened up during construction....when they start, it doesn't take long for them to get very large and very deep. Had the same thing when we built down in Talladega....watched a 100 foot wide sink hole form before our eyes in about 45 seconds. Scares the hell out of you because you don't know when it will stop.

Tunas73TA 02-12-2014 07:51 PM

Yep, Thanks Old blue.. Security Camera footage!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k05V...Q3hW12km1LzacC

Tunas73TA 02-12-2014 08:00 PM

No sign of the orange or white cars that fell in first!

OVERULD 02-12-2014 08:03 PM

The live web cams at the museum are still active. There are a bunch of new C7 models waiting for new owners to pick them up as part of the Museum Delivery option. I imagine they all have very tight sphincter muscles right now!

BJ

TempestFugit 02-12-2014 08:20 PM

I think those cars are gone... Just too dangerous to risk someone's live to pull em out.

Years ago a hole opened up near here that swallowed a bulldozer, it took a month to find it. I don't think they ever did recover the operators body.

Txbobcat 02-12-2014 08:27 PM

I have a corvette and pontiacs and I hate to see any cars get damaged like that.

PonchoV8 02-12-2014 08:27 PM

Wow. Just 'wow'. Weird. Who did the geotech on the site?

KS circutguy 02-12-2014 08:32 PM

It's really annoying to me they call those "drones" they are RC-radio controlled planes,not drones for gods sake.

fiedlerh 02-12-2014 10:33 PM

Not to worry, they'll pull 'em out and fix them up good as new.

Alvin 02-12-2014 10:42 PM

"...Bowling Green is in western Kentucky, an area with geology — full of karst — that has created an abundance of caves, springs and sinkholes.

Quote:

Photos of the sinkhole were quickly disseminated on social media and television Wednesday morning, stunning Corvette enthusiasts.

“By golly, I’m looking at a picture now. Look at how deep it is. . . . Unbelievable. Ugh,” said Gary Mortimer, founder of the National Corvette Restorers Society, in a telephone interview with The Washington Post. He said many of the museums’ cars are the only ones of their kind left and would be difficult to replace."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...5fb_story.html
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.230...21103386261231

Quote:

KGS Home > Water > Karst
Where Is Karst Located in Kentucky?

Kentucky is one of the most famous karst areas in the world. Much of the state's beautiful scenery, particularly the horse farms of the Inner Bluegrass, is the result of development of karst landscape. The karst topography of Kentucky is mostly on limestone, but also some dolostone. The areas where those rocks are near the surface closely approximate where karst topography will form. The map below shows the outcrop of limestone and dolostone and closely represents the karst areas. The bedrock is millions of years old, and the karst terrain formed on them is hundreds of thousands of years old. In humid climates such as Kentucky's you should assume that all limestone has karst development, although that development may not be visible at the surface...

http://www.uky.edu/KGS/water/general...here_karst.htm
http://apps.carleton.edu/reason_pack...ges/952308.jpg

Take another look from the outside - note the location of the detention pond and "former" sink hole
http://www.corvettemuseum.org/planni...parkingmap.jpg

And the inside
http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2012/06/NCM-Club.jpg

Lightfoot 02-12-2014 10:48 PM

The red C4 on the edge of the hole might end up going in before it's all over.

The building is going to have to be raized. They could get the exposed Corvettes out of there with a big helicopter.
I can only see five cars in the helicopter video.
There must be a third buried.

Drag Star Le Mans 02-12-2014 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tunas73TA (Post 5132972)
No sign of the orange or white cars that fell in first!

You can see the white car for a second in this video just below the black 62

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0im-l411P1M#t=15

Old Blue 66 02-12-2014 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightfoot (Post 5133177)
The red C4 on the edge of the hole might end up going in before it's all over.

The building is going to have to be raized. They could get the exposed Corvettes out of there with a big helicopter.
I can only see five cars in the helicopter video.
There must be a third buried.

Number six is under the Blue Devil . You can only see a wheel and a little bit of the bumper

Alvin 02-12-2014 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightfoot (Post 5133177)
The red C4 on the edge of the hole might end up going in before it's all over.

The building is going to have to be raized. They could get the exposed Corvettes out of there with a big helicopter.
I can only see five cars in the helicopter video.
There must be a third buried.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drag Star Le Mans (Post 5133187)
You can see the white car for a second in this video just below the black 62

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0im-l411P1M#t=15

I agree as to the building may need to be raised...and Thxs to Drag Star posting this video the cars are the least of engineering worries. Watch it again and note the deep crevasses and canyon terrain.

Brings to mind - time to order new study of the entire Bowling Green Factory facilities for the same conditions.

Fortunate this occurred when no one was touring inside and no loss of life accompanied this event.

http://motorgearheads.com/uploads/ga...2_25_26908.jpg
http://www.tireunit.com/info/wp-cont...te-museum1.jpg

cuz68 02-12-2014 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by necdb3 (Post 5132817)
Hate to think that if something happen to one of my Pontiacs that someone would be laughing or saying "it's just a Pontiac." Someone, somewhere treasured those cars, even if they were owned by the museum.

You are right, I think this is very sad.

Lightfoot 02-12-2014 11:40 PM

Off topic, but that building's exterior is hokey as hell. Who's bright idea was it to paint it taxi cab yellow with a red spire? Supposed to be a stinger? Weren't those cars named after a sea creature, not a bee?

bird72 02-12-2014 11:46 PM

More fodder for the "God has a sick sense of humor" advocates. While this a true shame, mostly for the one of one cars, it is life. People die and we react less sometimes. It is just "stuff". (See George Carlin's rap on "stuff"). I am sorry it happened, but it all goes to dust someday. More than the car loss, it should remind us of how we live on a planet in a state of perpetual change.

Alvin 02-12-2014 11:47 PM

Quote:

Zora Duntov Known as the “Father of the Corvette” has his Ashes Enshrined In A Beautiful Handcrafted Exhibit
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The National Corvette Museum
Our involvement with the National Corvette Museum goes all the way back to 1991 when the Museum was only an off-site annex. Several years of fundraising and some donated property got the project started in 1993. These are some of the only known pictures of the construction was we made regular visits to Bowling Green until construction neared completion and a Grand Opening date was set for September 1, 1994.
See more at: http://automastersofbg.com/?page_id=230

Alvin 02-12-2014 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bird72 (Post 5133233)
More fodder for the "God has a sick sense of humor" advocates. While this a true shame, mostly for the one of one cars, it is life. People die and we react less sometimes. It is just "stuff". (See George Carlin's rap on "stuff"). I am sorry it happened, but it all goes to dust someday. More than the car loss, it should remind us of how we live on a planet in a state of perpetual change.

How true, and how we take for granted living on a world in perpetual motion with tectonic plates shifting, volcanoes erupting, waves crashing and check this collection of

Sinkholes Around The World http://abcnews.go.com/International/...bceb4ff05158b4


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