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What is the fastest car anyone knows of with a rpm intake manifold? I went a 10.41 @ 130.53 wed. nite at cecil county. I cant believe it pulled that much mph. Does anyone think a different intake will pick the car up? Its a 468,#16's,rpm intake,1 inch spacer,830 carb (pro systems rebuilt),turbo 350,3.55 gears,4400 10 inch converter. Car weighs 3420 with me.
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What is the fastest car anyone knows of with a rpm intake manifold? I went a 10.41 @ 130.53 wed. nite at cecil county. I cant believe it pulled that much mph. Does anyone think a different intake will pick the car up? Its a 468,#16's,rpm intake,1 inch spacer,830 carb (pro systems rebuilt),turbo 350,3.55 gears,4400 10 inch converter. Car weighs 3420 with me.
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Hell, I'd lend you an intake to try.
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Cool, what intakes do you have? Alot of people say torker II , but im not sure. I guess trial and error. My brother has an original torker but im not sure how good that one is.
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Wow thats hauling butt for sure dude!!! and without spray yet..
Is a 468 a punched out 455 or is it when you put a 455 crank in your 400.I was thinking of doing that 455 crank in my 400 thing. 80TAWS6,400,edelbrock carb,accel wires,dual exhaust,dynomax mufflers,3.42 strange gears,turbo 400,B&M converter/shift kit/etc., polygraphite everywhere,draglites. 14.24 at 97.40mph 2.21 60ft uncorrected tazzo vpc. 1900 ft altitude. 15.03 at 93.95 with 2.63 60ft at local track uncorrected.Before converter and turbo 400. 80 taws6 hardtop ,race car?? 99TAWS6 ..lots of mods.13.35 at 109 2.27 60ft uncorrected tazzo vpc. 1900 ft altitude. |
My brother has gone 10.30, but not at that much MPH. How big of cam?
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thanks. Its a 455 .035 over with a 4.25 stroke crank.
The cam is .630 lift and .266 - .272 at .050. The cam does not require a lifter bore brace. I wish my 60's were better, im only getting 1.52 to 1.54 and its really not spinning. Its a 10 inch 4400 ati which will work really good when I spray it, but on the motor it might need a tight 9 or 8 inch. What kind of setup does your brother run? Thats the e.t. im shooting for and I think I can get it with the rpm intake. I probably should have went up in jet sizes that nite and bumped the timing up to 34 or 35 degrees but the track was to crowded and didnt feel like messing with it since it was the first 3 runs on the motor. How much does your brothers car weigh? see ya 68 Firebird 468 #16 D-Ports w RPM intake 10.41 # 130.53 3.55 Gears Street Car |
GUYS! - This is going to make alot of you out there "MAD" - But i've stayed off of this post for a while because i got tired of the "BULL****" - now i come back and find out it's worst then ever.......you guys can stick it!I thought this was a great page for PONTIAC information but you guys are not dealing with reallity!!!!! CASE: 3420 lbs car-#-16 Heads-RPM intake- "NO-SPRAY"-----130.52 mph at 10.41 et......"BULL-****" -- you might fool each other but you can't fool us that really race.....! JOE ALLAN........Good-Day to you all.
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Joe Allan = Smart man.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JOE ALLAN:
GUYS! - This is going to make alot of you out there "MAD" - But i've stayed off of this post for a while because i got tired of the "BULL****" - now i come back and find out it's worst then ever.......you guys can stick it!I thought this was a great page for PONTIAC information but you guys are not dealing with reallity!!!!! CASE: 3420 lbs car-#-16 Heads-RPM intake- "NO-SPRAY"-----130.52 mph at 10.41 et......"BULL-****" -- you might fool each other but you can't fool us that really race.....! JOE ALLAN........Good-Day to you all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What is this all about? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif ------------------- If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? http://community.webshots.com/user/rimhof456 |
He's saying do the math and realize how much HP it would take to push a car that heavy, to that MPH and then see its hardware and realize that either major surgery has been done to all parts or that we should be wearing our waders.
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Was Badbird's car in one of the HPP shootouts before? I think it was running 10's without the spray there but Im not positive on that. I dont think it was 10.40's though. BTW Goatman awesome picture of your car launching against that chevelle
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Thanks.
I'm not trying to really get into an argument here, although I'm sure I will. But, looking at what else is out there, one has to wonder about the validity of the claim. I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
"GOATMAN" - CHIEF PONTI-YACKER ---- "THANK YOU SIR" --- I see you are better then I am at expressing your self.......By my old fashion figures this guy would have to have 700 HP at the flywheel to run 130.53mph in a 3420lbs car at sea-level!!!!!!!!!! I'm 60 years old and have been around Drag Racing since 1959........I know the game and i understand the HORSE POWER to WEIGHT FIGURES & the ELEVATION CORRECTION FACTORS......Maybe where some of you race they are giveing out CORRECTED time-slips........I know there are some HIGH DOLLAR Super Stock PONTIACS running high 9's at 130 mph BUT: On this PY i thought we were talking about "GOOD" Bracket-Racing Motors-----Not high dollar pro-stock type cars that most of you are calling "STREET-CARS"------GET REAL........I thought PONTIAC RACING was us against them, not us against each other! Remember - this is just an OLE' MANS OPINION -- and OPINIONS are like ASSHOLES, we all got one, and in REALITY you can't get by with out one! nuff said! JOE
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GUYS - I'm not try'n to argue, I just thought if we were try'n to help each other then lets deal with reality and keep both feet on the ground and give out good info to help the new PONTIAC guys get started on the rite track.....If in fact you got a D-Port PONRIAC natural aspired that weighs more then 3400-lbs and can run 130 mph, then i opolgize for my ignorance!...Remember, I'm talk'n about MPH.........Keep-on-Keep'n-on".... Joe
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You know Joe, i was wondering about that myself, but i held back the desire to type up anything, i went to the track the other night and ran a
10.12@137 Mph on my little 1300cc Busa. Either hes putting down the power or maby he typed the numbers in wrong?? Wish i could go dat fast :P Mike |
Mike, put that big fat turbo on ur TA.
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Joe Allan. You are dead wrong. Do your math again. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_mad.gif
It takes about 580 hp to go 130mph with 3400lbs. With the hardware listed, that is very possible to do. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif Nevertheless, I must say that´s impressive performance out of that combo. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif Street ´69 Firebird. 3800 lbs with driver. 455 with D-ports. 275x50 drag radials. Stock suspension. 11.24s@124.2mph (motor only)10.42s@130.3mph (+150hpNOS) |
I listen to the rapps put here and there is one thing being overlooked this past weekend was a had freak weather. I bracket race and you know how we hate screwdriveritis. Leave em alone and go rounds is the braketeers code. My car this past weekend ran a personal best just from the good air, and speed was up 3 mph???? For those who take racing serious and use weather stations and lived in horizontal middle slice of the country and actually raced this past weekend will tell that in some places the altitude went to 432' below sea level. I run an RPM and saw the pickup in speed without any marked increase in ET. Go figure. Gman you quoted your not looking to get into an argument here! Have you mellowed that much since Norwalk??? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif I'm not a mathamatician but I do race every dry weekend and there is always an anomoly you just have to say oh well and go on to next round. I call those runs, acts of God. Or was it a spider making a web in front of finish line speed sensor hole in the guard wall??. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif
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Engo, Joe Allan is correct. He stated at the flywheel HP and that is what it would take.
Tiki, not mellowed, just tired of all the BS. I have a car that weighs the same, with E-heads, 14:1, a comprable roller, a Wilson Manifolds ported Victor and I'm just .10 faster with 1 less MPH? I'm sure every clown will use this as an excuse to try to tell me that I can't tune, but that's a joke. Only thing I need sorted out is my chassis, and even then, I'm not sure my motor will be making 700HP. The last time I ran, the corrected altitude was 1000'. Perhaps I could squeak out 1 more MPH, but I have the hardware for it. Either those "D-ports" have been so extensively modified that they aren't D-ports anymore (same with the intake) or the nitrous system was activated and he's full of it. Look at it this way: Very few people are making a true 700+ HP with D-ports. I will use two people as an example. Jim Zeek and Joe Zajack. I appologize if I got the names mis-spelled. Now, I have heard both of those cars run. Neither one could be considered anywhere near "street" motors. Too much compression, too much cam. On top of that, Joe uses a dual quad bathtub intake that has been extensively modified and I am 100% sure that Jim's intake is a little more "severe" than an RPM. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif On top of that, I would bet real money that both sets of "D-port" heads that are on the motors I was previously speaking about are so modified, that they are no longer D-ports, except on the outside. This guy is from Maryland. That's on the same coast as me, last time I checked. There are a few tracks that are close to sea level, so I'm sure that at this time of year, everyone is running their best, just as I am. But still.... Think about it guys, something is wrong here. I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
Something doesn't smell right either! I'm running 10.90's@121mph/6.90's@ 98mph weighing about 3400lbs with a simple combo (455) I think is pushed to its limits! His combo sound more like a high 11 but more like a low 12 sec motor outside of the size of his camshaft which I would think would hurt the performance even more. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif
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Goatman. I think you are wrong too. It simply does not take 700 hp at the flywheel to run 130mph at 3400. From where did you get that claim?
I know that my engine sure does not make 700 hp at the flywheel. Still, at my cars total weight of 3800lbs, it propelles it to 124 mph in the 1/4 mile. It uses ported d-port heads that have a max flow of 265cfm, a victor intake, 850 Holley, 1 3/4" headers, 3" mufflers and tailpipes, 264/272 solid cam and a 400 auto with 3200 stall. I figure my engine produces around 560-570hp in the car. I don´t see anything strange at all with badbirds claim of 130 mph at 3400 lbs. Street ´69 Firebird. 3800 lbs with driver. 455 with D-ports. 275x50 drag radials. Stock suspension. 11.24s@124.2mph (motor only)10.42s@130.3mph (+150hpNOS) |
Badbird68,
I'm a big D port fan but I'd have to see your car run to believe that you are telling the truth. You asked if anyone thinks there would be a better intake for you? If your car runs like you say it does, then you know there are better intakes for drag racing. I have run that intake on several different engine combinations in a full tube chassis car and pulled a max mph of 118. And 126 with a 150 shot. That intake is just too restrictive on the top end. Your bluff has been called. |
So J.C. your following the turbo saga as well huh?/ hehe, just got my torker II cleaned and blasted and ready to go on, need to put manifolds on and run the pipe, and get a carb on it, and break down and buy a wastegate http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif
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I know its not the "For Sale" section, but see this as a great oppurtunity for someone to buy my RPM intake. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif Anyone?
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Well, Engo, I guess its just you against the world then....... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif
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what happened to the pontiac "brotherhood" here?
some folks just flat-out have their cars tuned...pure and simple! would the same doubt be upheld if badbird were running a victor intake or aftermarket heads!!!....Hell at least he's running a roller cam!!! He's got nothing to hide, why would he make-up his accomplishments when anyone can witness the performance on the track. Guys like "torqjunki", "grnmstr", "fast-eddy", mike cooke, craig berkhiemer and a host of others have all had success DEEP into the 10's with "less appealing" hardware. Never once have I seen any of these guys degrade the merits of performance from those running more exotic hardware with comparable results. As someone stated before.... "we don't race dynos", the same can be applied to "doing the math". The "math" here is done a 1/4 mile at a time!!!! Geez....its no wonder jim hand doesn't post here anymore. 1973 SD455 T/A 1979 S.E. T/A http://community.webshots.com/album/16587603rOyvmFCiHs |
Here are a couple of forumlas and the resulting HPs:
weight / (ET / 5.825)^3 = HP 3420 / (10.41 / 5.825)^3 = 599.19 AND weight * (speed / 234)^3 = HP 3420 * (130.53 / 234)^3 = 593.62 I'm not a mathematician but both those forumulas are pretty standard and it seems you can do what the original fellow said he could do. 600 hp is pretty skookum but it's not 700. 69GPModJ Moderation in everything--including moderation. WC Fields. |
What is the fastest car anyone knows of with a rpm intake manifold? I went a 10.41 @ 130.53 wed. nite at cecil county. I cant believe it pulled that much mph. Does anyone think a different intake will pick the car up? Its a 468,#16's,rpm intake,1 inch spacer,830 carb (pro systems rebuilt),turbo 350,3.55 gears,4400 10 inch converter. Car weighs 3420 with me.
Where is the no NOS part? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif http://kurtsplates.homestead.com/files/goathed.jpg http://www.dannys65gto.com http://kurtspontiac.homestead.com/dannys65gto.html |
In his sig.........
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Both calculations above are for REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER. You would need 688 HP at the flywheel to run that fast.
I swear you people are enough to drive someone insane. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_mad.gif I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
Since everyone likes having thier hands held so much:
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Here is where I stand on this, Now we all know that I DO have my engines dyno'd and I do run my car at the track and I have had my car scaled. Now you are saying that his car at 3400# has to be making 700hp to run 130mph I say that is complete ignorance. My engine IS making and I have posted my dyno sheet on here...709hp. My car IS heavier 3480# I run a 3.89 gear rather than his 3.55. The last time I was at the track the air density was at 2400 feet the temp was 85 degrees and the track was good, Now my car weighing more and making 709hp at the crank ran 137+ mph so over 7mph faster, but how could this be I mean since you guys are saying that he is making just as much power as me and his car is lighter than mine? I would love to hear a answer to this... Another thing to look at here is Lance Line at Line performance ..this is where I dyno at and Lance is the person that does the dynoing, he is also a "stocker" his car weighs over 3600# his engine IS making 550hp (I do not remember the exact numbers) but he has shown me his dyno sheet. His car weighing more than bad birds by 200# and only making 500+hp is running 10 flat at 131mph so maybe some body should say that he is running the bottle, but you know he is not and look at the power to weight ratio. So what I am saying that in my opinion it is very possible to run 130+mph @3400# He is only running a 3.55 gear and it probably is pulling going though the traps. Can I ask you as to why would he lie about this anyway its not like he is going to win a award or anything. Oh yea one more quick example My brothers car 3300# 627hp on the dyno at the crank runs 134.33mph with the air at 2400 feet so do not say that you need 700hp to run 130mph that is complete BS. And bruce your car would probably be alot quicker if you got the chassis issues figured out but the launch does look cool http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif. Later
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Hhahaha hey bruce the first calculator that you put up said that I am making 709 rwhp lol. and it said 815 something or another at the crank boy that is one accurate calculator heheh
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I don't know what to tell you Chad. It works fine on my dyno'ed 474 I had.
Seems accurate enough to me, but, as we all know, dyno numbers can be skewed any way an operator wants. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif Seems to me, your buddies' dyno is a bit stingy. Happens all the time. I hope you like my explanation. I couldn't have made it more simple. I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
Another good example:
My GTO made 490HP at the rear wheels two days before Norwalk. Whithout touching the tuneup, I made my first pass which was a 10.66. Car weighs 3400lbs. Must be another "dyno mystery", huh? LOL I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goatman:
I don't know what to tell you Chad. It works fine on my dyno'ed 474 I had. Seems accurate enough to me, but, as we all know, dyno numbers can be skewed any way an operator wants. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif Seems to me, your buddies' dyno is a bit stingy. Happens all the time. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> So I see his dyno is stingy only 100hp http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif I find that hard to believe. I could see maybe 10 or so but not 100. BTW here is my chassis dyno that was done by a different shop and I suppose that there dyno is off by 150hp also since your calculators must be right http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif. http://web.ndak.net/~ddammen/Chassis%20Dyno.jpg I guess that where I get my dynoing done I should have them both recalibrate their equipment, Oh I forgot to mention the engine dyno was just calibrated 1 week before I pulled on it. I am not arguing here I am just stating my facts that I know are true, I simply think that he had good air for the pass and with that type of a gear his is going to still be pulling at the end. Bruce I believe you when you say that you have 700hp because I would say that you have no reason to lie about it but my brothers car with less than 630hp and only 530ftlbs ran 10.16 @3300#. What I am saying is that there is so much et and even mph in a chassis it is unbelievable, Explain this to me and like I said before I have seen his dyno sheets, How can a car weighing over 200# more than mine with over 150 less horsepower be running just about as quick as my car....it is simple it is all in the chassis set up...now if I could just figure out what they are doing to their chassis I could be a whole lot faster http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif. Chad Dammen ND's fastest Pontiac (I think) and Minot's fastest street car (not like that means much) |
Chad, 70HP is only 10% if you're motor is making 700HP. Get it?
My motor made 640 HP and it was the first to go on the dyno after it was calibrated. It went 10.62 @ 128 and my car wieghed about 3500lbs. My 60's at the time were identical to his. Yes, the chassis set up is key, and he has less frontal area than I do, but, if the chassis set up isn't in the 60', then where is it? My current 60' is a 1.42 which is way better than his, and I'm still one MPH off him, but .10 quicker. Basically the same wieght. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif Basically the same stall, but I have an 8" converter. So, yes, his is tighter. You telling me that his chassis is set up to be more efficient? No way brother. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gifFirst off Dyno are like Math, both can be wrong, but as long as you use the same Dyno or Math formulas across the board you'll see the differences in power increases and decreases. Nascar had a motor Dyno'd some years back in to parts of the USA..Out in California and back in South Carolina both Dyno were state of art at that time, both were well respected! Heres the odd results, the South Carolina dyno show'd 50 HP more then the California Dyno and also peek HP RPM was up 400 rpm.......and what was really weird was the HP & Torque on both Dyno's crossed at 5252 rpm just like they were supose too! My Point: you have to use the same dyno or Math figures to figure things out! you can't mix & match......Also you have to correct MPH to sea-level to figure Hp to Weight.....Take Mr.Kenny Laoge's math figures - he came up with 593.62 HP to go 130.52 mph at 3420 lbs..I don't know what the corrected elevation was on this run, but if it was at least 1200' then you can use NHRA'S correction factor of 1.0129 to correct his MPH to 132.20 the redue the formula, then add 25 HP for the use of the TURBO-400 and 20 HP more for the converter slippage and now your back to the 685 to 700 HP figures! Your computer calcalaters usually calcalate HP to sea-level with out consideration for what trans and converter are used!....I had my Power to Weight figures and Correction figures since the late 60's and my figures match MOPARS pretty close and my corrected HP figures match two of Southern California's best Dyno's......No one has to belive me,I could care less about showing you my system......My point was this guy said he ran 130.52 mph in a 3420 lbs car with a Edelbrock RPM Intake "WITH OUT NITROUS"..If you don't believe me reread the start of this stuff.....I say he didn't do it that way, i say he used the 150 shot of spray!!!!!! Take your HP figures of 550 HP or sooo and add the 150 shot of spray and you got 700 HORSE POWER!!!!!!!!Relize that Hp is almost always corrected to "SEA-LEVEL" and factors mostly don't consider slippage and things so you have to realize Math is just going to put you in the Ball-Park!!!! If you don't want to believe me thats your right.......NOW HERE ARE SOME POWER TO WEIGHT FIGURES AT SEA-LEVEL THAT I BELIEVE IN: To go 100 MPH in the 1/4 mile takes 11.9827 lbs per HP----110 mph takes 8.8199----120 takes 6.7936 and 130 takes 6.3433........Have fun and enjoy!...JOE ALLAN ps ..For all of you who think i'm wrong, well-----"MORE POWER TO YOU"-----because your going to need it!! to run that big MPH with out the spray......We WON the PONTIAC SOUTHERN NATIONALS in 2001 and took second in 1999 with a MILD D-PORT 455 in a 3000 lbs car running 122 mph at 10.83 et - Now with an E-Head 463" we run 131 MPH at 10.125 et at 3100' at still 3000 lbs....1.38 - 60'.....4.007-330'....107.32 mph at 6.34 et in the 1/8 with small 259-269 roller and an 850 Holley on a victor intake.......BARNEY did our machine work and William Sneed put the engine together.....We run at Wall Dragway and Abilene, come talk to us, we are easy to find because we run a WHITE 1936 PACKARD in Electronics......Take care and have FUN because thats what it is supose be.. "FUN"......OH! and if you don't like what i have said come talk to me....This is all my opinion...Not MR. SNEEDS.......I'll be the OLD FAT-MAN sitting at the trailer doing the weather.....See you at the Races........JOE
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First off you have me confused...where did you come up with 10%? And plain and simple all I am saying is that I do not feel that your calculators are very correct. Because I know what my engine makes at the crank and I know what my brothers engine makes at the crank and we both way out preform what the calculators are saying, not saying it cant work for you just saying that they are way off for my brother and I. Trust me I would be extremely happy if my engine made 818hp or what ever it was at the crank. But I have the dyno sheet saying that is is making 709hp at the crank and according to your calculators they are saying that I am making 709hp at the wheels, and I say no way. I can say this because I have had the car on the chassis dyno to prove that I only have 569 at the wheels. Can I ask what kind of slippage do you have going through the traps at 129 mph? I have a very efficient conveter and it is slipping 5% I am losing 150rpm crossing the line @137.66mph @6400rpm with my old conveter I was crossing at 134.33@6750 so you can see what the difference between just torque converters can make and maybe his 10" is locking up way harder at the top end compaired to your 8" ATI I think? Like I said before why would he lie about this? he only picked up 1 mph over his best pass before?
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Hi, all you guys that think I am lying then come to cecil county dragway or come to atco november 8th and put your money where your mouths are... Seems like there is a lot of jelousy out there and maybe you guys just need to learn how to tune your cars right... anyway, im not a bull****ter and am not getting into this crap, but it does not take 700 hp to go 10.40's. My motor, like I have already said is making around 610 hp at the crank but a hell of a lot of torque. Thats what makes the e.t.
Yes, the car went 10.90's in HPP, but that was with lightly ported 16's with a flat tappet small hydraulic cam (no roller). Then I had the heads ported again (butler port) and put a solid roller in it and stengthend the bottom end. I used the same intake , 1 inch spacer and carb. I dont see how that is so far fetched to see that I picked up 5 tenths and 8 mph.. Goatman, you can send any d-port you want to butler and he will do the same port job. The exhaust ports have barely been touched and there is no epoxy or anything in the heads. They look like regular d-ports with a race port job. And yes it is a street car and I will drive it anywhere.. Its only 11.8 to 1 compression not 14 to 1. Damn if I ran that much compression then I would be in the 9's, with the rpm intake!!! You need to tune that thing or let me tune it.. Ok the nitrous part. The plate is on there but im using it as a 1/2 inch spacer. The solenoids or anything isnt even on the car.. If you want it can be on by atco and then I will run you if you want and see what happens, but you will have to beat me on all motor first!!!!!!! BUD LYONS where are you, i barely know him but he was at cecil county that nite and saw me, my car and no nitrous system on the car, he has seen it at the car cruise in maryland and knows how streetable it is. 68 Firebird 468 #16 D-Ports w RPM intake 10.41 # 130.53 3.55 Gears Street Car |
You're welcome to come on up to NED this weekend and tune my car for me.
Matter of fact, if you can tune it better, I'll pay for your whole trip. There you go. Come get it. I had a set of JBP D-ports. They were #15's. No where near the performance of my RAIV's or my E-heads. And he barely touched them? LOL. Get your car on a real scale, or fess up dude. No way you're telling the whole story. I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
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I guess somebody should tell Mike Cooke and Barry Fritz that there cars can not do that? d-ports? and that much weight? cant be...things that make you go hmmmm? Chad Dammen I am so happy to know that my engine is making over 800hp now and All I had to do was use a calculator from a website http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif. And all this time I thought that a engine dyno was the only real way to get a hp reading boy was I wrong http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif. BTW there is a GTO from ND that is a little lighter but is running with # 62 that are home ported and he runs 9.80's @133 just about 134mph maybe I should tell him that it just cant be? Chad Dammen ND's fastest Pontiac (I think) and Minot's fastest street car (not like that means much) |
You can weigh it yourself if you want, but from reading all your posts it aint even worth mt time...
one more thing ill let you tear down my motor and when its everything i said it to be then you can give me your motor, how about that?????? take it or leave it..... 68 Firebird 468 #16 D-Ports w RPM intake 10.41 # 130.53 3.55 Gears Street Car |
So you're you're not coming up to tune a real 3400lb car without a nitrous system anywhere on the car then?
What a surprise.......... I'm like heaven, everybody wanna get to me......... |
Hey Bad Bird;
Congrats on the new motor. You've got the best looking bird I've ever seen...... and awesome performance to boot. Kudos to you. Keep up the good progress, play safe. I'm going to be in the market for my first converter. I swapping out my M22 and going TH400. With your performance, I'd LOVE to have some details and specs on the 10" converter your using. I'm shooting for 10's, within the next couple of years. Spec. and or details would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave Schiffers |
Jim Butler's good "d" port ported head will most
times go 275 cfm at 25" H2O (291 cfm at 28" H2O) A 275 cfm head times 2 will always make 550 hp over and over again on the dyno if you have not royally screwed up on the other parts. A friend's 1966 (all steel 3600lb ) Chevelle went 10.50s at 129 mph with me driving the car and I am a lousy driver. The horsepower was verified on Holleys dyno. This was in 1980. Tires are much better today than 1980 and this car had a 4 speed. 10.30s at 129/130 seems to me to be very possible without spray. Tom V. http://kurtsplates.homestead.com/files/UR2SLO.jpg |
Hey BadBird,
You really stirred the schtuff with this post. I love D-ports so I'm with ya there. But how you are pulling that much air through the RPM has me shaking my head. The RPM is a great intake for low end and mid range torque, but I found it just fell off on the top end without squeezing. If in fact you are not squirting, then you have one hell of a combination. Care to share your cam specs? |
HEY GUYS! Whats everyone gett'n mad about? Ain't this the good ole USA? Where you got your opinion and i got mine!!!! Look at them Super Stock PONTIACS - Cars like Keri Angels -Big $$$$$$ lots of RPM - Tire - 9.98 et's barely runn'n 130's....Thats my point.....If you did what you said then good for you......I don't care what HP you got! I just said i didn't belive you! AND THATS MY RIGHT! Joe
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