Summit racing drops speedmaster products
 

Due to speedmaster copying and counterfeiting parts . Wonder how far this will fall down the line.

Speedmaster heads may not be around to long who knows.

Video of the copied parts

https://youtu.be/9dsHrSq8pso?si=NSwq7y0Zg7PJuWGD

Wow, maybe it does not pay to cheat !

Summit stepping up! Good to see!

I can understand why!

While it’s good that they did such it would be far easier since there based here to be sued then a company in China.

I am very impressed and surprised by the proactive approach taken by Summit racing. They could have gone a completely different direction, buried their head in the sand, and played the "we are just a vendor, not a manufacturer" card. But they didn't. They took responsibility for not keeping their eye on the ball and they are doing something about it. In the long run, they will gain much more business than they will lose by not selling garbage counterfeit parts. Speedmaster junk in the marketplace doesn't help anyone.

Good too see some integrity from Summit. I hope other company’s follow and SM loose’s a bunch of business and has too fight lawsuits for the many things they have stole. I know some like their E head SM copies, but this world would be a better place with out SM.

very disappointing to see this. Don't be seduced by the low price of China. Good job Summit buyers to shut this down quickly.

is that the same speedmaster that makes heads?

Yes Speedmaster, Pro comp all the same company I believe throughout the years

Well, I think Summit is just protecting their butt, after getting caught or rather called out by the original manufacturer. They must have known from the beginning that part was stolen or copied.

No disrespect to you or even Summit but I think you give them too much credit. Speedmaster has over 1700 parts in the Summit Racing catalog. Summit Racing has 1500 different vendors in their system. We are talking about MILLIONS of different parts. If you have ever spoken to a Summit "tech expert", they are lucky to know what a 1/4"-20 bolt is or a freeze plug. I don't think there is any way they knew that obscure C-4 Ford trans brake was counterfeit or even what a trans brake is or who Broader Enterprises was. They sure as hell do now! They should know however, that all the Speedmaster stuff they sell is crap by the number of returns they are getting back however. Speedmaster sells allot of big, expensive, product on the Summit site as well. Heads, blocks, assembled short blocks, some part numbers are close to 3K each and eat up shelf space. To stop selling all that garbage was a big move for them IMO.

If they were overwhelmed by the volume of products, I guess maybe they didn’t know but … once they found out I’m sure their legal council told them they didn’t have much choice.

Yes, my cynical self aligns.

Business decisions!

It can be "good business" to sell crap, even if the return rate is high... as long as the supplier reimburses you, no harm done. And since no single customer knows the return rate is 10%, the other customers keep buying.

But a lawsuit is a more compelling risk!

Interesting

Should be interesting to see what happens Black Friday

Rodney Butler posted something about it on his FB, wonder if people like the Butlers will follow suit and not support Speedmaster Products ....

Who manufactured the parts that Ken Brewer sold?

Jegs has dropped all Speedmaster Products as of this afternoon. Just checked their web site. It's all gone.

"Who manufactured the parts that Ken Brewer sold?"

I'm not sure about all his products, but this regarding the first Tomahawk intakes.
Posted in 2007...

"The product was developed and brought to market by Pacific Performance Racing and we named it the Tomahawk.
Professional Products was the manufacturing partner and they list the intake as part of the Hurricane product line.

Side note: If memory serves me right, the business relationship between Ken and Professional Products deteriorated over a sales agreement.

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Speedmaster
 

This is how it starts. When right is wrong . and wrong is right. Is where we are. Stand up and point out the wrong . tell others . I'm so Blessed to see company's taking the correct stand. The forum publishing truth takes alot THANKS

Summit’s entire product line is probably 70% china, I believe they’re just protecting theirselves against legal action

I was impressed to read that Summit (and Jegs) pulled speedmaster parts.
I know copying happens, and because I buy so little aftermarket stuff I had no idea this brand was a ripp-off brand.

I seem to affiliate this company name with some aftermarket Pontiac heads;
What were they copies of??

My guess is nobody at Speedmaster was even aware of the company name on the valve body. Obviously they are now, but maybe not when the parts went in the packaging. Likely just decided they wanted to sell a copy the valve body, sent a sample to a job shop with instructions to make a copy, and the job shop did exactly that. Speedmaster or Procomp seem to have their name on their other copies. So just lazy or no inspections together with the sleazy business practices.

Counterfeit parts are nothing new. My father worked parts in a Pontiac dealership 50 years ago and they had salesmen in all the time with cheap stuff in OEM looking boxes and labeling. They didn't but someone must have been buying that stuff back then.

The Speedmaster Pontiac heads are a copy of the Edelbrock aluminum heads. Their are some subtle differences, probably just enough to avoid a law suit. At least they don't have Edelbrock cast right on the center exhaust ports!!. General anecdotal reports are the Pontiac heads are decent. The aluminum has been tested and found to be OK. My guess is if the heat really gets turned up on them, they will go bankrupt , reorganize and re-open under another name. They have done this several times already.

FYI,Jegs and Summit still show SM products on ebay along with other Etailers including SMs own site.I dont see them going away soon.Tom

I've worked with Pete who owns Procomp/Speedmaster many MANY years ago and know for a fact he won't go bankrupt over this. If anything he may rebrand but won't go broke. For every 10 enthusiasts, 7 will buy his stuff because of the price.

though ill still buy edelbrock heads for most stuff, i have 2 sets of speedmasters that i think are nicer than the non cnc eheads that use be 1800 through summit way back when. id most likely buy another set if i needed them. i guess thats kinda anti american but you cant beat that black friday sale they have. atleaat on certain things. ive passed on pretty much anything else they sell.

A friend had a very good glass block business with his father. Glass block production was in a EPA grandfathered part of Corning n.y.,location think that's what he said for area. Production could be backed up this was 15yrs ago. So he decided with help of U Pitt.to get block made in China. Trips there etc. 1st Container perfect. 2nd not so good,3rd bad.So talking returns,then lawyers.Suit would be in China. He knew he was taken. Stopped buying...

This really isn’t about other copying that goes on in China, or here, or anywhere else. Speedmaster, a company with facilities in the US, Australia, and happens to have manufacturing done also in China, copied a small shops valve body, left that companies name on the part. Didn’t a very good job manufacturing it (like most stuff they do) and then they sold it as their own product for major retailer’s to resell.

There seems to be a bit of a disconnect about the connection between copying parts, and what Speedmaster did on this. Imagine developing a product, someone buy’s it and copies it, then they do a shotty job reproducing it, and resell it with your name still on it. Maybe you would rather just have someone break into your garage, steal some parts and buy it back on eBay? I run a company that sells equipment, and have a number of patents, I actually would rather deal with someone stealing something out of my shop versus what they did.

Speedmaster has done a bunch of unscrupulous things in the effort to expand their company and for better name recognition. This boils down to very bad management and business practices at SM. Lots of Chinese parts you don’t have much choice in buying or using. But with SM product’s, which are almost all just copies with no R&D put into improving them, you do have a choice.

Sadly you are right and this is exactly why North America has gone to ****z over the last 40 years.

People buy quantity over quality because consumerism gurus told them to.

Any car can be made faster using hot rodded stock parts... Id much rather drive a stock looking iron headed pontiac in the 14s than a 11s Pontiac built with a pile of chinese knock off parts.

I like old cars as time capsules, slapping a bunch of made in 2023 chinese casted junk on a 70s vintage car does not make much sense to me.

Do we still call this a pontiac engine or a pontiac style engine? It may sounds a lilttle extreme but you get the point.

Peter

I bought something from Speedway motors yesterday and couldn’t find any Speedmaster products on their site anymore either.

I bet some folks over at SEMA are feeling pretty stupid about the awards they gave Speedmaster.

I have a similar story,
I worked for a large American Chemical company, in ~ 2002 we saw a large and growing market in China that we wanted to expand into. We found a Chinese company to partner with and build new plants in China. In a 50/50 partnership, the new plants would be built by the Chinese company using our Engineers, Chemists, Scientists, designs and process.

As the first plant was under construction, we found that the partner company was taking shortcuts and using very poor quality materials. This was particularly disturbing regarding high pressure piping and valves required for many parts of the process area. The business relationship soon fell apart and the other company stole / took everything from us. There is no useful justice system in China to seek compensation, so it was a big write off for us and they now had our tech and the first plant for free.

It has been a running joke by those who know the details, around our company ever since. Many of us are retired so it is becoming water under the bridge now.

Only way it can be stopped is tariff the Sheite out of the Chinese and if they want to outsource through another country, penalize them. The people in now are shills for the CCP.

Speedmaster hasn't ever used the name of their victim on their knock-offs before.
That would be like a pre-meditated suicide for a company selling in the USA.

Best sense I can come up with is the logo got left by mistake , and they made a decision to distribute them anyway instead of scrapping the whole batch.
Really don't understand how anyone in their ranks ever thought this would go well.

It went from knock-offs to counterfeiting
Which isn't too far apart , but counterfeit stigma doesn't market as well as knock-off stigma.

So the people
Not buying speedmasters will
Be buying aftermarket copies of tiger heads and IA blocks instead? Or edelbrock copies of
Kre d ports? There is copying everywhere as mentioned above . Companies that add some
Innovation to their product line hide some of the copied items
Just becomes it's made in America doesn't mean it is unique.
Look at the 7 different branded hydraulic roller lifters
Consumers will take their money where they want and manufacturers that exploit small
Markets with higher than usual profit margins will be targets of copied parts.
Ultimately that will Dictate what gets copied and sold
Just my
Opinion.
innovation will get
New customers that have to have the latest and best. Copying will
Keep
Prices low for
Average consumer

You over estimate SM management. The reason why they had to change their name from Procomp electronics to Speedmaster was because the got sued by MSD for pretty much doing this exact same thing. Would you call this a knock off or copy?

It's quit obvious a lot of copying is going on in the HR industry. They ALL have the same problems!

Remember when Car Craft exposed all the Chinese counterfeit MSD products being sold to lowest bidder buyers.... I wonder what the difference is now that MSD's product comes from China... Things that make you go hmmm.

Yeah I'm sure the "powers that be" will get all over it.

Yep, Then we just sit back and watch the product they had go to crap. MSD just has never been the same since they got bought out and MFG went to China.

Technology gets sent over to China just too get it built cheaper and make the company more money, which happens almost every time these companies get bought out by an investment group. Then about everytime time it happens the tech gets copied over there. After that if the investment group has too deal with copies it is pretty much their own fault. The investment group did that too themselves. Personally, I have far more issues with the bottom feeder reverse engineering that happens that describes what speedmaster has done on about all it’s products.

The only reverse engineered copy of a Pontiac head is a SM E head copy. All the other companies that make and design cylinder heads seem too at least refine the design. I know there are some differences between KRE and Eddy D ports, they aren’t reverse engineer copies of each other anymore than a Firebird is a reverse engineered copy of a Camaro, or vise versa. I don’t know much about those Victor and Tiger examples, but I garentee Edelbrock didn’t just reverse engineer them from another head like SM does. It appears SM even copied someone else’s CNC work on the CNC offering. Then didn’t even bother to flow test it. Looks good.. ship it! Lol

Would call that a knock-off and a copy.
But not a counterfeit - it didn't say MSD on the part , and probably not on the packaging.

The transmission valve body had Broader's name/logo machined into it
That was a king kong jump across the line.
Makes no sense why they would stretch that far intentionally - and then use their SM packaging.
It was suicide or sabotage.

They won't die , but its going to be a huge economic consequence for them losing Summit and Jegs.
The market has accepted knock-offs
But doesn't look like they are ready to accept counterfeit branding
That was a retarded endeavor to risk.

I agree. This was a new low. The Pontiac community I think is a little more willing to overlook it because we need a cheap head option pretty badly.

Summit and Jegs have more to answer for than just pulling the product line.
They sold those pieces.

I hope a good lawyer team steps up pro-bono for Broader
What if they would have had TCI logo engraved in them instead ?
KaBoom

I don't know what if any responsibility Summit or Jegs has, they sold the parts but can easily deny and knowledge of the level of Name brand infringement displayed here. This is all on Speedmaster for not inspecting their product after coming out of the manufacturing (copying) vendor. I doubt that Summit or Jegs inspects every product as they arrive in the boxes.

Summit has people hired for the exact thing this discussion is about. It’s obvious someone had to look at the knock off and compared it to the US made one. I don’t buy it slipped through the cracks.
…or..Perhaps someone wasn’t doing their job makes reasonable sense.
Another thing that is entirely possible is the CCP may have a interest in the company. That’s how things work now in big business.

These things skipped over way too many cracks.
I still can't relate to the idea that Speed requested them produced with the name on them,
but not with the exact artwork design.

As in , let's make a counterfeit that can be detected pretty easy,
but use a small player as the target victim.

None of this seems innocent anywhere anymore.
Too weird for me

Summit is still a privately owned company after doing a search. I see Scott Peterson was named President and COO.
Wasn’t there a Pontiac guy named Scott that worked for summit and on the Py forum?

Unrelated, Jegs controlling interest was bought by Greenbriar Equity.

I also recall a few years ago Speedmaster sold copies of blower drive’s with the BDS log still on them. Summit I don’t think was a vendor for SM at the time, it was known in smaller circles, not like Broader’s youtube video that has went viral, so it never really came to light. I think the Blower shop even had to come out with a disclaimer saying the SM drives were counterfeit and they would not be covered by a warrantee.

Look fellas, its not just SM but all manufacturing in China. It is literally part of their business culture in that country that as long as its business it is perfectly fine to steal someone else,s idea or product.
Manufacturing did not move over there on its own. It was a plan to weaken us as a county and it has done just that.
They want what we have and are playing the long game vs just going to war.

Scott on here goes by SCOTT ESTERLE.

Here is the Blower shops troubles with SM. I recalled wrong, it wasn’t the drive with the name on it, it was the blower. SM made it, and has the TBS logo right on there.