[niceta]

Well I guess I can kiss my drive shaft goodbye!
What was Kauffman business relationship to keisler?

[70pontiaction]

Call NOW and dispute the charges. You may get your money back.

[GOAT WHORE]

Crazy, that list! Wow! I recall a few guys here saying they were going to get on that list after plenty of people warning against it.

[David Holmberg]

If they were in fact taking orders they knew would never be filled, they are pure scum!

I suspect at least one name on that list won't care about a bankruptcy and will take matters into their own hands.

[Txbobcat]

If they owe that many they will not be coming back.

[David Jones]

Those folks floated Shafi's lifestyle. Sucks. Truly sucks.

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by niceta

Well I guess I can kiss my drive shaft goodbye!
What was Kauffman business relationship to keisler?

The driveshaft they sent me now resides in the corner of the garage. I could have made a better one using a fence post.

[zephyrracer]

From what I gathered up is Keisler was a dealer and not a manufacture of the product although they did modify some parts for the trans, for the most part they purchased everything and did assembly at their location. Look at these two web sites for more info and everything still for sale and nothing to do with Keisler as a company.

http://www.legendgt.com


www.sprakerracing.com


Gregg

[Transporter]

Originally Posted by 400 4spd.

Well, almost.


Creditors

Abundant Manufacturing, Inc.
ADAM CAVALIER
ADAMS GARAGE
ADVANCE AUTO PARTS
AL DECKARD
AL GRECO
AL RITTER
ALAIN GAGNE 2
ALBERT JONES
ALBERT MELCHIOR

show 586 more creditors…

Alcoa Tenn FCU
Alcoa Tenn Federal Credit Union
ALL TRANSMISSION PARTS
ALLOWAY CORP
ALLSTATE CONTAINERS, INC
AMERICAN CLASSICS
AMERICAN OVERDRIVES
AMERICAN SPEED CENTER
AMERICAN SPEEDSHOP
AMOS PRESS, INC.
ANDERS PERSSON
ANDREW JEWELL
ANDY HIXSON
ANTHONY GRACE
ANTHONY GUILLEBEAU
ANTHONY MARCHIO
ANTHONY SILVA
ARG STAFFING
ART MCADAMS
ART PAAPE
AUTO DOCTOR OF WARMINSTER
Auto Trader Publishing
B & E PERFORMANCE
BARRIE CARSON
BART IMMINGS
BART PINSON
BB& T
BERTELKAMP AUTOMATION, INC.
BEST OF SHOW AUTOMOTIVE
BIG 3 PERFORMANCE
Bill Baer
BILL BOYNETT
BILL CASEY
BILL KUSHNICK
BILL LEVKNECHT
BILLET BADGES INC
BLACK BOX NETWORK SERVICES
Blake & Pendleton
Blount County Clerk
Blount County Trustee
BLUE SKY CLASSIC CARS
BOB BEAUREGARD
BOB DEPALMA
BOB HAZEL
BOB MARTELLA
BOB PETROKAS
Bob Schulli
BOB STAGG
BOB'S HOT ROD SHOP
BOERNE STAGE BODY SHOP
BOISE MUFFLER SHOP
Boxing Cat Automotive
BRAD ERICKSON
BRAD HANSON
BRAD RANDALL
BRADLEY WAITKUS
BRADY HESS
BRAND MOFFATT
BRANDON IURATO
BRAU HOLDINGS LLC
BRET WHITE
BRETT WARNER
BRIAN BELL
BRIAN HOPE
BRIAN JULIEN
BRIAN KERNS
BRIAN LANGFORD
BRIAN SCHMID
BRIAN WILLIAMS 4
Bristol Motor Speedway
BRYAN DODDS
BRYAN ERICSON
BRYAN RAINES
BRYCE GOODMAN
BUZZY BONDURANT
CABIN CREEK SPECIALTIES
CALEB MEEKHOF
CALVIN NABORS AUTOMOTIVE
CAM AUTO CREATIONS
CARL AGURCIA
CARL FISHER
CARL WELLS
CARL YORK
CARLO BETTINELLI
CAROLINA CUSTOM RIDES
CASEY LING
CASSIDY'S ROD & CUSTOM
CCR 9 PRODUCTIONS, LLC
CENTURY SPRING, CORP.
CERTIFIED TRANSMISSION
CHAD MONTHAN
CHARLES FATSEAS
CHARLES MEADOWS
Charley Trotter
CHARLIE KLERNER
CHET VARNER
CHRIS CERVELLI
CHRIS CORRIDON
CHRIS FOLEY
CHRIS RODGERS
CHRIS SAVIO
CHRIS STUMPF
CHUCK JENNE
CHUCK ZITO
City of Maryville Electric
CLARK BOWDRY
CLASSIC & PERFORMANCE CARS LTD
CLIF HENRY
CLYDE STEWART
COLIN SCHISCHKA
COLT JOHNSON
COLTON HOFFMAN
CONRAD RICKS
CONSOLIDATED TRANSMISSIONS
CONTEMPORARY CLASSICS
Copper Conferencing
Cor-Tenn Company
CORVETTE CENTER OF HI
CORVETTE CENTRAL INDUSTRIES
CORVETTE CONVERSION CENTRE
CORVETTE MALBURG
CORVETTE MIKE 2
CORVETTE RESTORATIONS
CORVETTE SCHWEIZER & US CARS
COVERALL OF EASTERN TENNESSEE
CRAIG CLARKE
CUSTOM CARS UNLIMITED
CUSTOM CLASSICS, SA
D&P CLASSIC CHEVY
DAISY AUTO CARE
DALE HODSON
DALE LATIMER
DAN COVERT
DAN EUSTACE
DAN WAGNER
DANIEL SWAIN
DANNY STEININGER
DARIN MYERS
DARK HORSE CUSTOMS
DARREN HANCOCK
DAVE AGUIAR
DAVE BISHOP
DAVE BOREY
DAVE BOURQUEIN
DAVE GARBER
DAVE GOTTA
DAVE HARMER
DAVE HILL
DAVE HOCANSON
DAVE MCWILLIAMS
Dave Odehnal
DAVID ALDRIDGE
DAVID AUSMAN
DAVID BERRY 2
DAVID BRYANT
DAVID GONZALES 3
DAVID GROSS
DAVID INGRAM
DAVID MCCULLOUGH
DAVID SANDAGER
DAVID YOUNGBERG
DEAN DAVIS
DEAN HEIDEMAN
DEAN HUSTLER
Delta Research Corp.
Deltacom
Department of the Treasury
DEREK MELHORN
DEUCES WILD HOTRODS AND CUSTOMS INC
DEVLIN ROD AND CUSTOMS
Diamond Systems, LLC
DON HUTTON
DON'S EAST COAST RESTORATIONS
DONALD DICKINSON
DONALD POWELL
Donna B. Walker, CPA
DONS EAST COAST RESTORATIONS
DOOLEY AND SONS
DOUG SORRELL
DOUG TUMBLESON
DOYLE BAYER
DUNTOV MOTOR COMPANY
DUSTIN JONES
EDDIE HIXSON
EDWARD KIM
EMPLOYERS PREFERRED INSURANCE COMPANY
ENGINE FACTORY
ERIC COOKE
ERIK MARTINSEN
ERISA SERVICES
EXPRESS PACKAGING
FALCO
FAST FREDDIE'S
FERGUSON DRIVE SHAFT
FIRMAN AMBERG
First Tennessee
FLOYD FURR
FRANCISCO SAA
FRANK CERRATO
FRANK DANKERT
FRANK MAROTTA
FRANK VERNOLA
FRED FOSTER
FRED ZWIGER
FREDRIK BENGZON
FRITZ KESSLER
FROG SPECIALTIES
GABE LORETI
GALEN VASCONCELLOS
GARY FIFER
Gary Stewart 2
GATEWAY CLASSIC MUSTANG
GENE DEL BELLO
GENE KEETON
GENERAL LEE TRADING
GEORGE MONTANARO
GEORGE RAMUSACK
GERARD MOURIES
GERRY MARUMOTO
GILLES GUZZO
GLENN PUTEK
GRAEME WILSON
GRAHAM MCDONALD
GRANT RIMBACK 1
GREENVILLE MOTOR SPORTS
Greg Brittingham
GREG JOHNSON 4
GREG MACE
GREG NICKERSON
GREGORY BERGAMASCHI
GROUND UP
GULDSTRAND CORVETTE
HAMLIN AUTO
HAROLD HIEBERT
Harris Publications, Inc.
HENRY VEENSTRA
HH AUTO PARTS OF ELYRIA
HIROYUKI ARAI
HIS PLACE
HOFFMAN AUTOMOTIVE 2
HOLLEY SMITH
HOLSTON GASES
HOWIE JEFFRIES
HP Performance, LLC
IMAGE MATTERS
IMT YORK
INNOVATIVE CUSTOM ENGINEERING
Internal Revenue Service
JAMES GUERRIERO
JAMES MOODY III
JAMES NEWTON
James R. Keisler III (Trey)
JAMES THOMPSON 3
JAMIE WILLIAMS
JANO MIKAJ
JASON CARLSON
JASON EDWARDS2
JASON NOSKO
JASON PARSONS
JC RODRIGUEZ
JEAN LATIMER
JEFF CAIN
JEFF DAUBERT
JEFF LINDEN
JEFF NEUFELD
JEFF POLLARD 2
JEFF PURCELL
JERE CLARKE
Jeremy Parker
JET-FAB INC.
JIANGLING MOTORS IMP. & EXP. CO., JMIE
JIM BROWN 3
JIM CAIN
JIM CONDON
JIM FORD
JIM GLASS
JIM JARRETT
JIM MAYS
JIM THOMPSON1
JK MOTORSPORTS
JODY HALL
JOE ALEXANDER
JOE COTTNER
JOE MIKEL
JOE MOSIER 2
JOE STOPSKI
JOEY TOCCI
JOHN BOURGEOIS
JOHN GRINDER
JOHN LANDRY
JOHN MCCARTHY 2
JOHN PARTHEMORE
JOHN RUSH 2
JOHN STANNERS
JOHN STRATTON
JOHN TOMASSETTI
JOHN YDE
JOSEPH MEDLIN
KEITH DIXON
KEITH ROMAN
KEITH'S ROD & CUSTOM
KEN ALDEN
KEN COOK 3
KEN HUTTEMA
KEN PRATT
KEN REIMER
KEN SAUCIER
Ken Schliessman
KENNETH SNOW
KENNETH TERRY 2
KEVIN CELLEY
KEVIN EAKLE
KEVIN FLEET
KEVIN FRYER
KEVIN LEWIS2
KEVIN NELSON
KEVINS AUTO RESTORATION AND REPAIR
King-Thompson, Inc.
Knox Chapman Utility District
KNOXVILLE RUBBER & GASKET
KOEHLKE COMPONENTS, INC.
KURT ANDERSON 2
LANCE CUNNINGHAM FORD
LARRY B. FURR
LARRY JONES2
LASER PRECISE, INC
Lawrence Cyburt
LE CLAIRE MANUFACTURING CO.
LEE COMSTOCK
Legend Gear & Transmission AR
LEWIS GARRETT
LIGHTNIN RODS
LKQ Automotive Core Services
LKQ- ALCOA #142
LOGAN WALKER
LOUIE HUNTER
LOVETT MACHINE PRODUCTS, INC.
LSC PERFORMANCE
Luedeka, Neely & Graham P.C.
LUKE LAPRAD
LYNN OLSEN
M DETAIL/BC CLASSIC AND PERFORMANCE
MAC MCMILLAN
MAGNA CLASSICS
MARK GEIGER
Mark Jendrek, P.C.
MARK W. SHERMAN
MARK WILKINSON
MARTIN HOERATH
MARYLAND MUSCLECAR
MATT HAUCK
MATT HENSLEY
MATTHEW PAYTON
MCACN, LLC.
MEL VOGELZANG
METRO MOLDED PARTS, INC
MICHAEL DeSOCIO
MICHAEL DIEHL
MICHAEL RIHA
MICHAEL RIVES
MICHAEL SPINO
MICHAEL TIMANUS
MIDLAND INDUSTRIES
MIKE FERRARRO
MIKE GEBHART
MIKE LANDALS
MIKE MACKEY
MIKE MAIBACH
MIKE MCBAIN
MIKE MILLER 3
MIKE MONDLOCH
MIKE NELSON2
MIKE PATRICK
MIKE PATTON
MIKE QUINLAN
MIKE SCOTT 2
MIKE YERKAN
MINGE'S UNIVERSAL SERVICE
MISTER TRANSMISSION
Misumi USA, Inc.
Mopar Collector's Guide
MOPAR SHOP GERMANY
Motion Industries
MOTOR STATE (PARTS)
MOTOR STATE DISTRIBUTING(Trans)
MSC
Muncie Casting Corp
MUSCLECAR ADDICTION
MUSCLECAR FACTORY
MYRON LUCE
NEAL HARE
NICHOLAS COOPER
NORMAN ABBOTT
NuCycle Toner & Ink
OFFICE DEPOT
PAT O'LINN
PATRICK GODIN
PATRICK WOODCOCK
PAUL CHAIT
PAUL GUILLAUME
PAUL ROWLING
PAUL SAUNDERS FORMERLY STERLING CUSTOMS
PAUL TOWER
PAUL WARNER
PAUL WASEMILLER
PAUL YOUNG 2
PEDER MANSSON
PERFORMANCE SOLUTIONS INC.
Peter Brooks(vendor)
PETER ISAACSON
PETTERI ULJAS
PHIL OBRIEN
PHIL SOUCY
PHILLIP HEBERT
Pitney Bowes Global Financial Svc, LLC
Pitney Bowes Postage Machine
PITNEY BOWES PURCHASE POWER
PORT MURRAY AUTO CRC RESTORATION
POSIES INC
POWERTRAIN CONTROL SOLUTIONS, LLC
PRECISION ENTERPRISES, INC.
Precision Millwrights & Consultants, Inc
PRECISION ROD & CUSTOMs
PRECISION ROD & CUSTOM
Prestolite Wire Corp
PRI
PROFORMS
PROMOTION PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS
PROTECH USA
Quality Tool & Gear, Inc.
R NEWTON
RABCO PRODUCTS CORP.
Radical Restorations
RAM CLUTCHES
RANDY WELCH
RAY BARTON RACING ENGINES
Ray Cavignac
RAY JARMUSZ
RAYMOND VIRGILE
RED DEER SPEED AND CUSTOM
REINER SCHMIDT
RESTORATION STATION
RESTORATIONS BY JULIUS
RICH IRELAND
RICH ROSETTI
RICHARD ARREDONDO
RICHARD ASH
RICHARD BORDELON
RICHARD ESQUEDA
RICHARD HILL
RICHARD MORLEY
RICHARD SOUTHWICK
RICHARD SPENCER
RICHARD STEVENSON
RICK CHOATE
RICK DAPELO
RICK KERSCHNER
RICK MANTHEI
RICK MARTIN
RICK PLATH
RIGHT STUFF INC.
ROBERT DIPPEL
ROBERT DUTRA
ROBERT ESTABROOK
ROBERT FRITZ
ROBERT GARCIA
ROBERT HITCH
ROBERT SHAPIRO 2
ROBERT WEBER
ROBERTO GUTIERREZ
ROD HOMEN
ROGER DENGEL
RON MALINE
RON SMITH
RON SNYDER
RONALD HANSEN
RONALD K MCVAY
RORY HOSTETER
ROSS DIEHL
ROYAL BRASS, INC
RUSSELL AUTO INC.
RUSSELL JONES
RYAN PRICE
RYAN THORSON
SAIA Motor Freight Line, Inc.
SAL GARCIA
SAM BURNETT
SAM RAMIREZ
SCHMIT PROTOTYPES
SCHOOL OF AUTOMOTIVE MACHINISTS
SCHULDT AUTO BODY
SCOTT HARGROVE
SCOTT MCCLURE
Scott Russell (emp)
SEAN CALVERT
SEIVERLING SERVICE INC.
Selective Insurance Company of America
SEMA SHOW
SHANE BOYLE
SHAUN CARTER 2
SHAUN VEST
SHEAN KELLEY
SHERMAN & ASSOCIATES,INC.
SMITHFIELD MANUFACTURING, INC.
SMITHS PAINT AND BODY SHOP
SOUTH GEORGIA CORVETTE
Southern Impact Research Center
SPECIALITY METALS
SPECTRA
SPEED SHOP BOEHI AG
SPOILED ROTTEN AUTO
STAN SMITH
STEVE DENAPLE
STEVE PUTZSTUCK
STEVE SALE
STEVEN ARMELIN
STEVEN RADOS
STINGRAY AUTO TECH
STINGRAYS VINTAGE CORVETTE PARTS
STONE MOUNTAIN AUTOMOTIVE
TAKANOBU WATANABE
TED HAYES
TED HRNCIREK
Tennessee Department of Revenue
Tennessee Department of Revenue Sales T
TEPPO INKINEN
TERRY HOLDER
TERRY LECLERE
Thomas Frysinger
THOMAS HART
THOMAS MCGAHAN
THOMAS PORTNER
TIM CARON
TIM DONOVAN
TIM FLINN
TIM GARDNER
TIM TYNER
TMJ AUTO
TN CLASSIC AUTO
TODD DISHON
TODD MORIYA
TOM AEVERMANN
TOM LANYON 2
TOM OKEEFE
TOMMY BENSBURG
TONY FUSCO
TONY HOLMAN 2
TR TRADING INC
TradeMark Designs, Inc.
TROY HULL
TROY MEEK
TROY'S TOY SHOP
TYLER FRANCO
TYSON EARNEST
U-line
United States Treasury
UNLIMITED LINEHAUL LLC
V. Alexander & Co., Inc.
VALTEK PRECISION INC
VAN HOLST AUTO LTD.
VAUDIE LADD
Verizon Wireless
VICTOR BEAUDRY
VICTOR WILLIAMS
VINCENT GIBSON
VINCENT TUFARIELLO
VIRGINIA LASER CORPORATION
VOLUNTEER VETTE PRODUCTS, INC.
WADE PETERS
WAGNER PRECISION ROTARY INSTRUMENTS, LLC
WALLY DREZDOFF
WALTER KILLIAN
WALTER OHR
Washing Equipment of Tennessee
WAYNE LAMERE
Wesley Chang
WILBUR JONES
Wildwood Properties
Wildwood Properties, LLC
WILHITE AUTO SERVICE
WILLIAM HICKMAN
WILLIAM ROUSH
Wright Tool, Inc.
XV MOTORSPORTS
ZACHARY CRIVELLI
ZF Services North America, LLC

You didn't say which "leg" either you are height challenged or I am jealous.

[niceta]

Originally Posted by 70pontiaction

Call NOW and dispute the charges. You may get your money back.

I tried calling yesterday and all i got was answering machine. I will keep trying. I am just glad I received my Trans, bell-housing and clutch.

Be interesting to know how much is owed to legend. Hopefully they don't get sucked down the drain with Shafi or should I say Shafti.

[70pontiaction]

Don't waste time with the seller. They're done.

The credit card issuer is the one you need to file a dispute with.

Good luck!

[JLHarper]

^

Yeah you're right. The list is out, papers already filed.

That phone isn't going to be answered unless a creditor security guard happens to pick it up.

[pugslyx234]

I think if they knew and still took $ then thats willful Fraud punishable by law and maybe the bankruptcy could be stopped by the judge.

[Dens71TA]

There are some long waiting customers with partial down payments have stated on other online forums that Keisler called them last week asking for authorization to run the remainder of their order payment on their credit cards. At that point its hard to deny that the owner and at least some management at Keisler was full aware that they were about to file for bankruptcy.

On 1/15, a day before Keisler filed for bankruptcy, they posted a picture on their Facebook page "Check out our products at PRC" like business was usual. I posted a comment yesterday asking what will happen to their products now that they filed Chapter 7 and they deleted the comment along with disabling comments on everything they have posted. There is a pretty nasty review from a "David Gross" stating that Keisler has all his money for a year but have never shipped any product. Unfortunately he is on the list of creditors.

[Bob Dillon]

Originally Posted by pugslyx234

I think if they knew and still took $ then thats willful Fraud punishable by law and maybe the bankruptcy could be stopped by the judge.

The chances of that are about zilch unless the creditor files a motion for exemption from automatic stay in the BK court. And even if the creditor does so, granting such a motion almost never prevails for unsecured creditors.

As above, if you can't get your credit card company involved, there's about a 99.9% chance you're screwed, blued and tattooed.

[JLHarper]

No personal knowledge of their products.....so what is/was their flagship product?

Their own Tremec overdrives, a Tremec distributor or did they custom mfg complete systems off Tremec tranny platform?

What were they (actually) manufacturing?

[Half-Inch Stud]

seems probable that 90% of those listed above are...YELLOW BULLET MEMBERS.
huh.

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by JLHarper

No personal knowledge of their products.....so what is/was their flagship product?

Their own Tremec overdrives, a Tremec distributor or did they custom mfg complete systems off Tremec tranny platform?

What were they (actually) manufacturing?

I thought they were a Tremec dist when I bought my TKO. After getting the run around on my delivery date I discovered that Tremec wouldn't sell them anymore and that my TKO came through somebody else before Keisler modded it and delivered it to me. They tried doing some remanufactured transmissions they named RS500 and RS600, I forget what they were based on. Then they started with this SS700 when they got everybody all pissed off with their lack of delivery on the RS units. I think they've simply been taking deposits/payment on units and throwing that money towards satisfying people that had paid earlier.
It seems the pyramid hath collapsed.......

[Dens71TA]

Quote from a Legend Gear employee on a Buick forum:

"The Legend Gear (if that's what he's(Keisler) calling the perfect fit) transmission was never his...he was our distributor...we paid the 2 million plus for the tooling and paid for design assistance...as car guys (we're ALL car guys at Legend) we wanted to address all issues including noise, torque rating, appearance, everything...we heard that we were getting a delivery black eye because of false information but that was never the case...if you call Jeff Spraker at Spraker Racing (704-799-1300) you will discover that your lead time is only 6-10 weeks...

I'm the sales manager, 67 GS owner, and I just bought one this week...we are truly sorry for those guys who left deposits but rest assured we didn't see any of that money...

We're still manufacturing OUR 5 speed transmission and will be on the creditor list with those who left deposits...and soon we'll be having good news for our customers by the way of very high profile customer endorsements...

Bruce Kepley, Legend Gear and Transmission, Statesville, NC"

[Chris65LeMans]

Originally Posted by 70pontiaction

Don't waste time with the seller. They're done.

The credit card issuer is the one you need to file a dispute with.

A few years ago, I put a deposit down for some custom furniture just before the place went belly up. My credit card co. got my money back - no problems at all. (I may have had to wait a month for them to get it.)