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Old 12-22-2017, 01:56 PM
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I bought a 70 fire wall pad from our sponsor. I am removing the cut outs prior to installing it, but i have a question.
The pic above is where the pedal assembly mounts and the 4 studs go through the firewall. The upper two studs are obvious as well as where the brake booster shaft comes through the fire wall.
My question is I think I am missing one of the lower pedal assembly studs (driver side). The passenger one is the oval shaped hole that I have not removed yet.
I guess I need to cut in the missing hole, or am I missing something? Has anyone else had the same missing hole?

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Here is what the other, molded padding Ames sells looks like.
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Thanks for the pic!

Sure would be nice if “attention to detail” would make a comeback and the focus on quality would return....


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Definitely a difference in price between the two, but the more costly one appears to match original more closely.

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Old 12-25-2017, 08:48 AM
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I agree. I first was leaning to the higher priced one, but then it said it had the foil layer on the back side, which was not on the original one, so I chose the rubber jute version.
I will cut mine and make it work and move on. No need to drag this restoration on any longer than it already has!!! Lmao


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Yeah, the foil between the rubber and jute isn't correct, but other than that I think it better matches original. Once again it's one of those deals where one asks: Why not reproduce it correctly in the first place?

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Amen Brother!!!


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Old 12-27-2017, 11:37 AM
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I have a related question:
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In the first two pictures the assembly manual says that part #1 is a washer, part number 3868762.
After an internet search I believe this is a mastic or sealer washer.
The third pic is of the InLine Tube foam washers.
I think I am going to make my own washers from strip caulk.
My question is: are the mastic washers 100% mastic with no metal backing? I think the answer is 100% mastic.

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Never seen evidence of foam or metal washers when removing heater boxes, so I'd say just use mastic

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You confirmed my past observations. Mastic it is.

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Anyone have a source for this under cowl insulation pad, that is under the dash area?
The original one disintegrated during disassembly.
Ames does not seem to list it.


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There is no known source for the under cowl insulation used on early 2nd-gen cars. REM makes a version for the 68-72 A-body but I was never able find it for F-body. Since it was only used for a short time there may not be enough demand.

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Quote:
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I have a related question:

In the first two pictures the assembly manual says that part #1 is a washer, part number 3868762.
After an internet search I believe this is a mastic or sealer washer.
The third pic is of the InLine Tube foam washers.
I think I am going to make my own washers from strip caulk.
My question is: are the mastic washers 100% mastic with no metal backing? I think the answer is 100% mastic.
I'm a little late to the party....

Mastic is correct. AMK Products makes these.

http://www.amkproducts.com/bulk5.asp?part=B-13742

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Old 01-02-2018, 05:32 PM
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I'm a little late to the party....



Mastic is correct. AMK Products makes these.



http://www.amkproducts.com/bulk5.asp?part=B-13742



Chad



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I find post #11 inspiring...
If it wasn't so cold in my garage, I'd be tempted to "play" in the garage each night after putting the kids to bed...

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I made a template from my pictures I took during the disassembly of my 70.
I called REM and asked them is they would sell me the material in bulk so I could make an under Dash insulation pad for my car.
They offered to make me one from my template, and then they will add it to their catalog.
Hopefully I will see their results shortly.


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Sounds good.

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Here is my update on the 1970 under dash insulation. Please note my car was built 2nd week of June, 1970 at Norwood:

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This pic shows the first prototype (on the left), made from the template I made from my disassembly pics. These were made by REM. I had them make it from their yellow fiber glass material. It ended up being a bit thick compared to the original material even though the material was very similar. REM said this fiberglass material would not be used on their production version. Once I got it and test fit it I discovered that they made it opposite of that I wanted. I wanted the gray side to be against the underside of the dash. So since I needed another one, I decided to go for the REM mastic/jute material. This is what they plan to use for this part.
You can see it on the right side in the above pic.
I am glad I went this way, because is more pliable and fits up under the dash nicer. I will post pics once I install it.





I am not sure when REM will have the part listed, but I am sure you can call them and they will let you know when and a price.




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Here are some pics of the under insulation pad installed.
I think it turned out pretty nice. I do like the flexibility of the jute better that the fiberglass material of the first prototype. The mastic jute version payed down around the curves very nicely.


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