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Old 07-18-2017, 05:35 PM
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Is it suppose to have a knife edge?
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:15 AM
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Looking great, Bob (and Darrel)! It's moving right along!!!

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Looks great. You guys have four months until the show. Remember it does not have to run. I've pushed more cars into that show than I have driven.

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Looks great. You guys have four months until the show. Remember it does not have to run. I've pushed more cars into that show than I have driven.
....and we've helped.

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...There won't be any pushing. This baby is going to get finished, but I appreciate the willingness to help.

The dash is mostly finished and back together. It turned out pretty nice I think. I have tried to identify and label all the wiring connectors that attach somewhere else, but there are still 4 or 5 wires that I can't figure out. I'll do a followup post on them later. MPD is off watching his grandson play baseball for the weekend so Mini Me pitched in today and helped. It was good to have her hanging out. Here's a few pics.




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Old 07-23-2017, 11:36 AM
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A question on the tach harness. The engine harness has a pink wire and a yellow with black stripe wire that drops out at the distributor. We plugged the yellow/black wire into the top of the unitized distributor. In looking at old pictures it appears the brown fused tach wire should plug in here. Is that correct, and if so is the yellow/black wire just left unused? Here's a picture of the unitized currently with the yellow wire and the old engine harness.

Also, does anyone have a dash harness schematic that is easier to follow than the service manual detailed wire diagram?






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Old 07-23-2017, 04:00 PM
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I just received my new engine wire harness for my 1972 T/A set up for a unitized distributor,auto and a/c..made by M&H Electric it is top quality and I would definitely recommend them if you need any new wiring products...it has the correct pink lead to the distributor and a yellow/black wire for the shaker..purple lead and red lead for the starter..and one connector exhibits a resistor fashioned to it covered in electrical tape..for the A/C..Pat Browns website 455 H.O.COM has a detailed page on this harness and how it is run..the only major difference from an o.e.m. is that the wiring that runs along the drivers side valve cover is protected in a rolled black plastic shield...originals would have been wrapped in black tape..of course you could wrap the shield with tape but it will have a thicker appearance than original..why this change I do not know..I do know later engine harnesses such as 1976 used a ribbed plastic shield in this area... I will wrap mine for a more stock appearance..and I suppose even more protection from under hood heat..the cost was $197 shipped

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Thank you very much. That is helpful. I did a search, but skipped Glenn's old posts that came up because those were usually dark days.

Now if I could just find a dash harness diagram that even a coal peddler could understand.

Thanks again.

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Old 07-23-2017, 06:15 PM
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What do you need help with Bob?

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Old 07-23-2017, 06:30 PM
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Thanks for checking Mike. I have half a dozen or so loose connectors coming of the dash harness and it's driving me crazy not knowing what they are for so I can get all OCD and label them. I'm sure somewhere in the mix is power windows, power locks, intermediate harness, rear speaker harness, et cetera. I'll post some pictures of them. Darrell will probably know exactly where they go anyway, but I really have this problem with getting everything accounted for and identified.

I also have one broken pink wire....I'll stick some pictures up.

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Old 07-23-2017, 06:56 PM
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Wire number one is a broken pink with black stripe. It is bundled with another pink with black stripe wire that goes to the flashers and a purple wire. Should there be two pink with black stripe wires connected to the same terminal on the flasher control?




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Old 07-23-2017, 07:46 PM
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One pink/black wire will also connect to the reverse switch. I have also seen the pink/black wire as a part of the tach harness that plugs into the center of the under dash fuse block.
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Yes, there should be two together at the connector housing.

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Bob does this help?

First photo is my 73 SD Formula automatic
Second photo is my 72 T/A four speed

(And yes that yellow wire by the distributor is the shaker solenoid wire that shouldn't be on a Formula wiring harness - I believe it was T/A only but the wiring harness makers don't know this)
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:09 PM
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Steve, it was cheaper to have it on all wiring harnesses for the year/model. It was just taped/tucked out of the way.

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Old 07-23-2017, 09:20 PM
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Thanks so much for all the help on wire number one. The next one is a single gray wire with a black connector. It comes out near the radio and steering column wires, and it has a very short lead. My best guess is that it connects to the windshield antennae harness.






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Old 07-23-2017, 09:50 PM
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Cigar lighter lamp?

Gray is typically a lighting power wire.

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My old bronze 70 Formula 400 had standard gauges and I wanted to convert them to rally gauges, so I bought a set of eBay. The dash harness came with the gauges, but they were out of a car with an automatic trans with a floor shift. There was a long single gray wire with a bulb socket on the end that plugged into the dash harness right near the radio. The long gray wire was for the shift indicator light on the console shifter. Since my car was a manual trans, I just unplugged the wire leading to the console. Maybe the gray wire shown in your picture is not used in your application.

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Thanks so much for all the help on wire number one. The next one is a single gray wire with a black connector. It comes out near the radio and steering column wires, and it has a very short lead. My best guess is that it connects to the windshield antennae harness.






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Old 07-24-2017, 05:32 AM
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ES13 - That seems very probably. It is dropping out of the harness with another gray wire that goes to the radio lamp terminal and as 77CAM points out the cig lighter lamp also has a gray wire. I also noticed this morning that the lamp for the heater controls and fuel/volt gauges are also on a gray wire feed.

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Old 07-24-2017, 11:34 AM
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my knee-jerk reaction was that it was for underdash lighting... so shift indicator bulb seems quite feasable.

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