[Scarebird]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

100% glad I, don't live there....

[bdk1976]

I guess part 'b' of my question would be - if this thing isn't legal to sell in Calfornia, how did the California based dealer acquire it? (I did send them an email requesting some info but no response as of yet - guessing I won't get one). I would assume they would need to have the car in their name to legally sell it?

I can't imagine a dealership selling a car with an open title but who knows...

[rjpaige3]

Some kind of misguided trade-in? Buying/titling it is easy, registering it for actual use is not. They probably have the quitclaim signature on the guy's original title and whoever buys it fills in the designee portion, and the car will never have actually been owned by the dealership.

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

Just curious of how the guys on Motor trend, and Hot Rod drive all the abortions on CA roads. They do it all the time, and all the stuff that comes out of Steve Dulcich's garage,and Freibergers cars aren't going to pass either. There have been post 75 cars on both of those shows driven in CA on public roads.



100% glad I, don't live there....

Registration is sky high also.

Dulcich lives in an ag-based small town about an hour south of me. It's a rural area, like much of real, working CA is. Law enforcement in our state is so short-handed due to the escalation of crime due to recent political polices that enforcing emissions-related violations is waaaay down on the list. We're a sinking ship here, with the makers bailing, and the takers surging over the border. Sad.

[SRR]

That car has a Chevy 305 in it which I assume is factory? It might have a boatload of back reg. fee's on it if it wasn't non-opt. The seller is responsible for smog. Period. If your buyer agrees to get it smogged great, if they decide to come back on you for it you'll lose. Anything 2000 and newer just gets plugged in (No pending codes, monitors not set), gas cap tested and you're good. 1999 and older not full time AWD goes on the rollers. My 95 Jeep failed twice in a row (4.0) which are known for high NOX levels. So...after a new exhaust manifold, O2 sensor and de-carboning the engine. It passed with flying colors. Registration on this 28 year old vehicle? $137.00 per year.

Here's a poor sap that bought a vehicle from an auction. Yikes...There 4 more codes on the back I didn't snap a pic of.

[71GP76TA]

I believe counties with less than 50,000 people are exempt from emission testing including transfer... Modoc county.. Siskiyou county.. etc..

[71GP76TA]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

Of importance, the '80 model TransAms & Fornulas with optional engine LU8 (Turbo 301) were not allowed to be sold new in CA, as they didn't pass CA's rigid emission laws. It would not surprise me if it was the same with the '81 model Turbo 301 cars with their crap computer controlled emission controls.

Both the '80 model 301 turbo Qjets as well as both versions of the '81 turbo Qjets have a power enrichment circuit which richen up the primary side when under boost. In bringing in full boost in earlier & more of (actually developing a wider power band), less restriction in the exhaust & a custom tailored primary jet/rod combo are musts. Those mods, among others were far from smog sniffer friendly.

'81 Turbo T/A I had a couple years ago was sold new in CA.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by Scarebird

They're patriots, not cowards.

[OG68]

Originally Posted by 71GP76TA

I believe counties with less than 50,000 people are exempt from emission testing including transfer... Modoc county.. Siskiyou county.. etc..

Partially true. Some high population counties (Riverside, San Diego, San Bernardino) are split between their western metro areas and the mountain/desert east in regards to emissions testing. You can live 35 miles east of downtown San Diego and be test free.

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by 71GP76TA

I believe counties with less than 50,000 people are exempt from emission testing including transfer... Modoc county.. Siskiyou county.. etc..

Exempt from testing, except on transfer. Vehicles must be smogged on transfer in every county of the state. A lot easier if it's in a Two Speed Idle county vs a dyno county which also measures NOx, which is usually high in older cars with worn out catalytic converters.

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by 71GP76TA

'81 Turbo T/A I had a couple years ago was sold new in CA.

Makes sense, the 81 C4 turbo equipped cars had to be cleaner emission wise.
I always hated working on the '81's.

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

Makes sense, the 81 C4 turbo equipped cars had to be cleaner emission wise.
I always hated working on the '81's.

Likewise. That was the very early C-3---C-4 Delco computerized system. Very time consuming to run down an illuminated Check Engine light. And remember the yellow plastic EMISSIONS flag that would pop up at 30K miles and block off the odometer? What a bunch of CRAP. Glad those days are behind me.

[71GP76TA]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

Exempt from testing, except on transfer. Vehicles must be smogged on transfer in every county of the state. A lot easier if it's in a Two Speed Idle county vs a dyno county which also measures NOx, which is usually high in older cars with worn out catalytic converters.

Not sure where people in Modoc county (Alturas) are getting their vehicles tested. There aren't any smog check stations there. Somebody told me years ago that they did not have to smog on transfer there or counties with less than 50,000 people. I'm not an expert... so I could be wrong. Laws could have changed since they lived there.

[SRR]

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicl...g-inspections/

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by SRR

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicl...g-inspections/

Thanks. This sums it up. Yes, you have to smog your car if you are selling it.

[post toastie]

I sold a 1966 VW project way back when , cars had to still pass a sniffer and equipment test. I had the buyer sign a bill of sale "as - is" and that they would be responsible for the smog inspection.

[59safaricat]

Originally Posted by post toastie

I sold a 1966 VW project way back when , cars had to still pass a sniffer and equipment test. I had the buyer sign a bill of sale "as - is" and that they would be responsible for the smog inspection.

That was prior to 1998. Jan of 1998, the rules became 1976 to the present for gasoline vehicles. In 1997, I had a 1973 Chrysler with tags that were due in December. I just waited until January and paid a very small late fee without dealing with the smogging process although it would have easily passed. I take exceptionally good care of my vehicles.

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by 59safaricat

That was prior to 1998. Jan of 1998, the rules became 1976 to the present for gasoline vehicles. In 1997, I had a 1973 Chrysler with tags that were due in December. I just waited until January and paid a very small late fee without dealing with the smogging process although it would have easily passed. I take exceptionally good care of my vehicles.

Correct. The last time I had to smog my '67 GTO was back in 1997. It passed easily.

One interesting and rather insidious aspect of the CA Smog Check Program is the continual lowering of emissions 'cut points' for older cars, which makes it much harder for them to pass. The idea is to get all old cars off the road here for the green agenda. It's kind of like having an athlete run the 100 yard dash in ten flat at age 22, and at age 70, he has to run it in 9 flat. Makes no sense.