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modern street cars
in my Driveway ,, I really enjoy my daily driver 14 SHO 365 HP. Then there is my need for speed car with my 16 RS3 Big Pony Power. then my Sunday driver 67 bird 400 always enjoyable to cruise in .eventually the HP will be reduced by the Feds but until then.ENJOY
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I had my car out last weekend and even though its only 600hp, it is still unsafe to drive in the wrong hands. 2-3 half throttle powershift at 4500 puts it sideways. Not so good down at the car cruise with the grabby RXT clutch, takes a bit of finesse to move carefully through the moms and kids. But there were easily some low 10 high 9 sec cars there that you wouldn't even know.
I do like the thought of a newer luxury car with a bunch of power though - the big Caddy if I ever played the lottery... for an old man like me - gonna be 50 in a few weeks. Be safe out there
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For very short periods of time they do. Bury your foot in the "throttle" for to long and the computer steps in and cuts the power back. Drag strip runs are ok. Car and Driver tried to get a lap time at VIR in one recently and they couldn't get a complete lap in without it cutting back....but it was fast when it went. Full throttle kills the range too........
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frittering and wasting the hours in an off hand way.... 1969 GTO, 455ci, 230/236 Pontiac Dude's "Butcher Special" Comp hyd roller cam with Crower HIPPO solid roller lifters, Q-jet, Edelbrock P4B-QJ, Doug's headers, ported 6X-8 (97cc) heads, TKO600, 3.73 geared Eaton Tru-Trac 8.5", hydroboost, rear disc brakes......and my greatest mechanical feat....a new heater core. |
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If you want to set a musclecar up to compete with the new high end stuff you can do it but you better have $50K+ to throw at an already done car and be ready to cut it up to fit huge tires, coilovers etc. Furthermore just because you can run a faster 1/4 mile on a prepped racetrack doesn't mean you have the better car. Most of the new stuff goes fast in a straight line, then hammers corners just as well if not better. I decided with my GTO that i'm going to just build a fast street car that I can drive anywhere, take the the 1/4 mile, road racing or autoXing and just have fun. Forget about winning any of that stuff and forget trying to compete with a new car platforms......now my 70 Chevelle i'm planning to build in a few years....that might be a whole other story
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-1967 GTO HO Restomod. PKMM 433ci, SilverSport T56 Magnum 6spd, Moser 9", SC&C and a bunch of other pro touring goodies - Build Thread http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...615847&page=23 |
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I got my drivers license in 1974. For a car guy, could there ever been a worse period in automotive history? I am happy the newer cars perform the way they do and must admit I never thought this day would ever come again. I do agree that they can be very dangerous for inexperienced drivers. They handle so well and are so fast you just don't realize how fast you are going until things finally come unhinged. When I drive my 62 Catalina my wife is constantly asking me how fast I am going and to slow down. Most of the time I am going under 70 MPH. Her 2011 Mustang GT "felt slower" at 110 MPH. It's really an entirely different sensation. The old cars are still really fun.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my Firebird and I'm never going to sell it. It is not anywhere near the level of performance, refinement or efficiency of the modern cars I've owned. Not that you can't do it with these older cars, but you're talking about completely re-engineering them and at the end of the day, it's going to be cheaper to just go by a Z06 Corvette or the Hellcat. That doesn't take anything away from these old cars, it's just the progress is a continuous march forward.
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I respect and like the fast new muscle but I truly love whooping them!! Most think my pretty carb'd motor is slow. Someday I may go the turbo ls route but for now will hold out.
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6D9 So we see that you have a 1969 Camaro with a 491 BBC engine, what Pontiacs do you have?
Tom V.
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"Engineers do stuff for reasons" Tom Vaught Despite small distractions, there are those who will go Forward, Learning, Sharing Knowledge, Doing what they can to help others move forward. |
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I dont have one. I have a good buddy with a 66 Tempest(GTO clone) that I help him work on. Fun learning about the different makes...all Detroit muscle.
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1969 Camaro 491 BBC/TH400/GV OD/3.50 |
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Lot of Chebby, Ford, and Chrysler Haters in the race section. Not so much so in the Street section. People have put Pontiac engines in Triumphs and Chebby Trucks, and even Vettes in the early days.
Glad you are learning about Pontiacs. Some things are similar to the Chebby stuff but the Pontiac engine is much more like the old Ford 427 engines in bore size, bore spacing, crankshaft design, etc. Welcome aboard. Know you have already posted 75 times. Tom V.
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1969 Camaro 491 BBC/TH400/GV OD/3.50 Last edited by 6D9; 11-01-2016 at 12:49 AM. |
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I've had plenty of new "muscle cars" and new vettes play with my 80 TA at the track. Beaten new 5.0 Mustangs, new Hemi Chargers and Challengers, 2004 body style mustang gt's on Spray. All of these cars had plenty of Bolt ons and such. Most of these cars run 13 seconds flat stock which isn't terrible, but we had cars running that in the 70's stock.. you'd think technology would have made them faster. Haven't had one truly outrun me yet. Even a couple of turbo LS cars didn't outrun me. My car is fuel injected and drives just like a modern car. I will say the 6th generation Camaro is one bad car - they run in the 11's NA from the factory, which is way better than the 5th generation camaro. The new Hellcat is one bad car, but you have to sit back and realize it's not NA. Same goes for the zr1 corvette and the new z06. I respect them and I respect the guys that wrench on them, but I won't say theyre faster - especially for the money. I have no where near the amount of money in my car as a new corvette - let alone ones that are modded, and I still can hang with or outrun most of them. I'll stick to my Poncho.
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Goodluck on that LGT700. I was just told yesterday a 16 week wait and only 3 retailers that deal with it in the country that I know of. Doesn't look promising.
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1980 Trans Am - Street/Strip 462 Best: 7.08@95 with 1.49 60' in the 1/8th. 11.17@119.8 in the 1/4. N/A, 3700 lbs, 3.42's, Pump Gas. Admin of Pure Pontiac Powered Outlaws on Facebook. |
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It's rare that I find myself on this side of a discussion, but stock in showroom form, the new muscle cars will destroy even the very best of the old muscle cars in a drag race or top speed. I have in my basement virtually every issue of Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Cars Magazine, Hot Rod, Car Craft and others from the late 1950's to around 1982. Looking through all of them from time to time, it was very rare for a stock muscle car from the era we love to break into the 13's. Some did, but not many. Most of the GTO's through the era ran 14.2-15.0 ET's depending on equipment. A really good Ram Air IV, 13.7-13.8. SD-455's 13.60 and that was damn fast for 1973. The really fun road tests to look at are the hemi cars. They simply run all over the place. As slow as 15.3-15.5 ET's because they were so hard to tune, to 13.5-13.8 for really good ones. Same with Big Block Chevy's. I have literally hundreds of these tests and only a Yenko or Super Duty 421, or ThunderBolt or cars like that were in the 12's or quicker. And the average person couldn't just walk into a new car dealer and buy one, you had to have connections. Today, there are dozens of new cars that will run in the high 13's and are just ordinary passenger cars or SUV's. 12 second new cars are fewer, but there are plenty of them available for anyone with a checkbook and come in all brands, shapes and sizes.
I dearly love my old muscle cars and the hobby and love to see an old school muscle car take out a new one. But I can't deny the fact that a stock V-6 Honda Accord will probably outrun a 64-65 GTO 389 4bbl. automatic. I don't like it, but I can at least understand it. Technology marches forward. |
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1968 Firebird 400 RAII M21, 3.31 12 bolt, Mayfair Maize. 1977 Trans Am W72 400, TH350, 3.23 T Top Everyone you will ever meet knows something you don't. Bill Nye. |
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1980 Trans Am - Street/Strip 462 Best: 7.08@95 with 1.49 60' in the 1/8th. 11.17@119.8 in the 1/4. N/A, 3700 lbs, 3.42's, Pump Gas. Admin of Pure Pontiac Powered Outlaws on Facebook. |
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