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Old 03-09-2012, 12:07 PM
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Gardner isnt 1500, I know, I bought one, have the Glass, made the video.
I seriously doubt the quality, the fit and the materials..of that parts place set up.
There is NO US company that could make that for that price, and no foreign company that could make it fit right...I would pay 20 bucks to see it installed .I bought one from this place years ago and the header pipes were for std exhaust manifolds..

(1973 - 1973 Firebird/TransAm) DUAL EXHAUST SYSTEM WITH RESONATORS (SUPER DUTY) 2 1/2" HEAD PIPES GO TO A SET OF RESONATORS AND THEN INTO A TRANSVERSE MUFFLER. TAIL PIPES ARE 2 1/4" THAT ARE DESIGNED TO USE FACTORY TIPS. SYSTEM IS MADE OUT OF ALUMINUM 14 GAUGE PIPES AND WILL WORK ON 400 OR 455 MOTORS


$399.00
I dont know the quality compared to a Gardner. Actually the system Joe sells is made locally. I bought one of his for a Camaro and it was fine. Yes the Gardner system is over 1500 for a 73 sd with the resonators. I just bought one. Actually I think it was 1800 and that was without the tips. Gardner makes a nice system but they are way overpriced. For 399 the one from Joe is worth a try.

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Old 03-10-2012, 01:21 PM
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Hello guys, I'm still trying to get to the bottom of what is actually the correct starter for '73 SD cars. I've got a lot of great input from members Held for Ransom, Stellar, and, Super Duty D. There's a lot of information in print and most of which conflicts with other information in print. I'm hoping someone with a low mile SD can verify what's on their car at some point to help put this to rest. Let me detail what I've got at this point.

------------------MODEL NUMBER---------SERVICE NUMBER
AMA-----------------1108436--------------1108225
FIREBIRD CATALOG---1108495--------------1108225
GM PARTS CAT 76----1108500--------------1108225

To confuse things more, I've seen reference to the Service Number as being the Part Number for our '73s. Does anyone know what the Service Number actually is? And lastly, I've left out numbers from the '83 catalog since they are listed as remanufactured.

My thinking is the 436 was the planned. The 495 was the installed factory starter, and the 500 was the superseded in the later catalogs starter? Or it could be the 225 was actually a starter used too?

There are a few variations of the high torque starters. Some have one lead coming from the rear and some have two. If any of you have an original can you check if both leads are connected to your harness or just the one. Check the pics below so you can see the two big leads I'm talking about on the last pic. They're on the main case. The three starters pictured should help to more easily identify the three types of GM starters.

The crash course lesson if you follow the pics is in the top pic on the far left you'll see the starter solenoid connects at the thicker part of the case. That's indictitive of a low torque starter. The one to the right that connects further up on the narrow point of the case is usually but not always a high torque starter. The last pic with the two leads coming out the rear is a high torque. Clear as mud?

You can check this thread for a more detailed explanation.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=691783




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Old 03-10-2012, 02:09 PM
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I'll look on my June car later today and let you know what I find.
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:11 PM
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I'll look on my June car later today and let you know what I find.
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You are beautiful! I was about to call in the Myth Busters or History Detectives!

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Old 03-10-2012, 08:51 PM
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Rich, both 73's have the 1108436 units however my pictures are to dark to post. Sorry, thought I had some good pictures but after downloading them and I see NOT.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:54 PM
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Rich, both 73's have the 1108436 units however my pictures are to dark to post. Sorry, thought I had some good pictures but after downloading them and I see NOT.
Cheers, Brew
Thank you very much for checking! Did you happen to notice if it had the two leads in the back and if so were they both wired, or just the one? Big thanks again for checking!

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Thank you very much for checking! Did you happen to notice if it had the two leads in the back and if so were they both wired, or just the one? Big thanks again for checking!
So this is the starter no. for both SD and L75 Dport 73's?

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Old 03-10-2012, 10:22 PM
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I dont have a lift or any way to look at my winter storage facility. Thats why no good pictures to post either.
Sorry if its really important I could use a floor jack I guess?

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Old 03-10-2012, 10:27 PM
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So this is the starter no. for both SD and L75 Dport 73's?
The D-Ports (both 400 & 455) had the 1108500 for '73. And it looks like the 74 SD's used that number too. The 500 may have down the line been sold a replacement for all SD's too, as it looks to have incorporated all the high torque features of the day. That's coincidentally the starter in that lower pic I posted. If you a 436 I'll make you a heck of a trade deal!

If you do ever get under your car, can you check if your wiring has provisions for both those leads? I'll bet just one is connected, but I'd like to confirm at some point.

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Old 03-10-2012, 10:29 PM
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The '74 SD should have used the 1108226.

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Old 03-10-2012, 10:29 PM
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I dont have a lift or any way to look at my winter storage facility. Thats why no good pictures to post either.
Sorry if its really important I could use a floor jack I guess?
No hurry at all. I've got a starter that works perfectly in there now. Just getting prepped for a future rebuild. If you remember down the road that would be great! I love getting to the bottom of these little SD mysteries!

As an added punishment while you're down there, pulling the date codes would be a big help too. I'm wondering with such a low run if they used left over HO starters?


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Old 03-10-2012, 10:32 PM
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The '74 SD should have used the 1108226.
I defer to HfR on that.

Do you know if 226 is a dual lead too with both hooked to power?

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Old 03-10-2012, 11:31 PM
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Don't really know. I got into the Pontiac game too late. I use to be a Chevy man. But, I'll check into it.

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Old 03-10-2012, 11:45 PM
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Thanks! Think of it as penance for being a Chevy man.

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Old 03-11-2012, 08:08 AM
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Did You see this original owner 74 SD Formula?
Nice car!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...7803&viewitem=

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Old 03-11-2012, 08:10 AM
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Did You see this original owner 74 SD Formula?
Nice car!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...7803&viewitem=
http://www.forums.maxperformanceinc....d.php?t=692487

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Old 03-11-2012, 10:02 AM
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Here is a new one I have not seen before. Not sure about this story and some of the information being provided? Good story though!
No engine pictures and or undercarriage makes me wonder?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ponti...item1c24b0b1bc

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Old 03-11-2012, 10:47 AM
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I'd be surprised if it gets even one bid.

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Wow,would be interesting if true,he should post some of the documents on the Ebay sale...........but 100k starting bid and no info?????????????

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Old 03-11-2012, 11:38 AM
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isn't that a later steering column? i'm pretty sure i have had a couple early columns with cruise that didn't have the 79 up plastic bump on them.

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