[455Grandville]

Too bad Ford quit making the GT that was a niiice car that they could have dropped that uprated engine in -

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Gulliver

Bah! The Mustang is still the 'ol live axle rear end. Gonna be tough to get that kind of power down on the pavement with any street-legal tire..

Funny, Both of these guys still have "the 'ol live axle rear end" and make more HP than that Mustang and can get it to the ground.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=681515

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=681514

Personally If I was spending 100K+ on a Mustang, I WOULD NOT buy a Shelby.
I would buy this:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/04/f...laim-to-quick/

Tom Vaught

ps In competition, in Michigan, Cobra Jet Mustangs have run 8.16 in the quarter.

[goatwgn]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Funny, Both of these guys still have "the 'ol live axle rear end" and make more HP than that Mustang and can get it to the ground.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=681515

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=681514

Personally If I was spending 100K+ on a Mustang, I WOULD NOT buy a Shelby.
I would buy this:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/04/f...laim-to-quick/

Tom Vaught

ps In competition, in Michigan, Cobra Jet Mustangs have run 8.16 in the quarter.

Top fuel dragsters don't have IRS either.

[limejudge69]

I'm in the 'This Is awesome!' crowd, too. You old farts sound like the people in the 60's who hated the muscle cars because you drove a Rambler and didn't understand why kids need cars that were fast and powerful. After many years of making boring, mundane econoboxes, the auto makers have unleashed a new generation of muscle cars right before our eyes! We screamed for these cars for years and they finally listened! I just wish I had the cash to buy one. Maybe someday, but for now I'll sit on the sidelines with my fist pumping saying "HELL YEAH!"

[goatwgn]

Originally Posted by limejudge69

I'm in the 'This Is awesome!' crowd, too. You old farts sound like the people in the 60's who hated the muscle cars because you drove a Rambler and didn't understand why kids need cars that were fast and powerful. After many years of making boring, mundane econoboxes, the auto makers have unleashed a new generation of muscle cars right before our eyes! We screamed for these cars for years and they finally listened! I just wish I had the cash to buy one. Maybe someday, but for now I'll sit on the sidelines with my fist pumping saying "HELL YEAH!"

Better get one soon. I beleive the end is coming for performance cars as you may know them today, just like in the early '70s. The 35 mpg CAFE nonsense for 2016 will compromise all of this, just like it did in the late '70s. Every time the automakers start to get on track with something, radical forms of Government in the "free" country we live in come along to ruin it.

[facn8me]

Wonder what the output of the zl1 would be with a blower on it? Always amazed me at what ford has to outfit an engine with to get close to the HP of a naturally asperated cheby engine. I'd roll it but would never waste the funds to buy it. If given to me I would gladly abuse it while it was for sale. VAROOOOOOMMMMM

[keith k]

Originally Posted by facn8me

Wonder what the output of the zl1 would be with a blower on it? Always amazed me at what ford has to outfit an engine with to get close to the HP of a naturally asperated cheby engine.

Ummm... the ZL1 (assuming you're talking about the NEW one) IS supercharged. So, per the factory ratings, the 5.8L SC Ford engine makes more power than the 6.2L SC "cheby" engine.

[goatwgn]

Originally Posted by keith k

Ummm... the ZL1 (assuming you're talking about the NEW one) IS supercharged. So, per the factory ratings, the 5.8L SC Ford engine makes more power than the 6.2L SC "cheby" engine.

How about this? And it isn't with a V8. It is turbocharged (a form of supercharger).http://youtu.be/zKAjjEE8TFo

[facn8me]

Well I guess that shows how much I really care about what's out now... Ummm is the (whatever the baddest new vette is called) force fed too?

[Cobrabill]

Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and
Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall,
Torque is how far you take the wall with you.

[facn8me]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and
Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall,
Torque is how far you take the wall with you.

That is friggen cool. And now stolen....

[quick67bird]

I want one. It might be able to scare me a little.

[MikeNoun]

Originally Posted by facn8me

Well I guess that shows how much I really care about what's out now... Ummm is the (whatever the baddest new vette is called) force fed too?

It's the ZR1 Corvette, at 638 supercharged hp, with a top speed over 200 mph.

I love this clip, where Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson starts out laughing about the Corvette, adding British snobbery to his comments, but by the end, he's in love. Love the line about how the Corvette doesn't have any of those stupid paddle shifters!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlvQL...ayer_embedded#!

[NBF823]

I'm not opposed to it, that's for sure.

I can't afford, nor will just about anyone near me show up with one.

I do hold them, or any fast production car as a bar for my personal car building goals - don't think I'm gonna meet that goal any time soon.


I wonder though;

Will it just loose grip without warning when your not trying? Once, when I was 19. I was making a 90degree turn on to a side street in a cammed 400 T/A. It was dry, there were cars behind and in front of me, we're all going about 15mph or so. I didn't goose it, but I did about 270 degree in the middle of traffic without even wanting to hot dog. After I collected myself from fear, and felt the embarrasment coming on, I put it in reverse and tryed to correct - Car just went backwards at the same angle as the front wheels were cut - never turned or yawed. Newly paved road surface I still suspect. Some sort of anomaly in the grip anyway.

Also, where does it run out? I think, even with 650 hp, I can find that spot; Where sure it's stupid powerful, but that's what it got and there ain't no more acceleration in it - just plain "Floored". Probably trying to accelerate from 100mph going up hill straight, eyeballing and calculating the braking zone for the next corner. Mine better come with slicks on all four corners from the dealer, and my liscence shouldn't be valid when it rains Maybe, 650hp will bring me to a new realization of just how much power that is. Working for 500hp/3000lbs next - that should be a good step practicing for 650.

[fiedlerh]

It will be interesting to see what happens as CAFE fuel economy ramps up over the years to 50-60 mpg. Cars like the Cobra will probably become very limited in numbers and/or be totally built by the aftermarket.

[GTOGreg]

I sold my 2009 Challenger R/T and bought a '12 GT500. I've already added a smaller upper pulley/idler and re-tuned. It is now 550 RWHP. The cost of building power on the modular platform is relatively cheap to everything else out there. The GT500's seem to hold their value really well too. No regrets on selling the Challenger. Was going to get the new Hemi 392 but Chryco went and locked down the PCM to where you can't add any mods -- what fun is that. I'm pretty sure that will be the end of SRT if they keep that up.

[lust4speed]

I don't really see any difference between the top muscle car offerings of today and what was available back in the late 60's - except the old cars couldn't stop or corner. There was a lot of cleaning of the gene pool back then also.

Last New Years Day at Auto Club Dragway (Fontana, CA) someone showed up in a new Rousch Mustang with paper plates that he probably just purchased as a Christmas present to himself. It was a credit to Mr. Rousch that the engine held together. Missed the first shift and painfully hung on the rev limiter at the top of every gear. Totally crappy, crappy run -- then the 10.86 ET came up on the board. Kinda wiped all the smirks off our faces in the grandstands.

[Doug1]

I think it is cool. We are living at a time where this is still allowed. Our great grandkids will be buying these things to hop up. Everyone was ticked off when they took the muscle out of muscle cars. It's BACK and better than ever. How could a car guy not love that?

['ol Pinion head]

Love to have one of the baaad Mustangs. In the end, just don't need one, or the hassles that would come with one.

Guess I'm getting old. I was freaked out two weeks ago after my son was out riding on a late Friday night with a buddy in his Dad's 2006 H1. The kid driving doesn't even a drivers license yet & the d#mn thing takes up an entire lane of traffic. The H1 cost 145K & dad threw him the keys... smart! We had a local 20's idiot who took his modded late model Vette up to over 180mph in moderate traffic on the interurban turnpike. Putting the video on YouTube got him caught & in a heap of trouble...smart! My 16 y/o nephew thought it was cool, of course all he does is play need 4speed type video games. Trying to be much better influence at our house...

[Cobrabill]

I was just looking at the title to this topic:"And Ford throws down the gauntlet...again"

I started to wonder why there's never a"GM throws down the gauntlet" topic.Then i realized-GM is always reactionary.Explains a lot.